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re: Covid19 is now officially a hoax
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:00 am to moneyg
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:00 am to moneyg
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We should never have considered destroying our economy for a death rate that low
Can you at least show what the death rate would have been without the distancing measures before you make such a sweeping statement?
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:00 am to Traveler
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to say the virus itself is a hoax simply isn't true
I think most people who throw the term hoax around are saying that the predictions of the severity of the virus were a hoax...not that the virus doesn't actually exist.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:00 am to SDVTiger
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sure they are in hospice cause corona
I'll believe the people on the ground, not your tin foil blog sites.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:01 am to Joshjrn
quote:Depends on initial outlooks, even with those numbers.
In raw numbers, sure. I have no dog in this hunt, but I'm not sure if "three times more deadly than the flu" counts as "barely above" in any practical sense
In its present form, yes, those are still high numbers in comparison. However, the "flu" is normally widely understood, and an annual vaccine is available that has (in this year) a 45% rate of effectiveness. It fluctuates from year to year.
If you had the 45% effectiveness vaccine available for this virus, that 0.27% - 0.357% would be reduced to 0.15% - 0.2%. Essentially, making it 1.5X to 2X the rate of a normal flu. Still bad, but certainly nowhere near the current "official CDC numbers". Then, you consider that by cutting the rate of those infected by nearly 50%, you also reduce the number of those becoming infected through person-to-person transmission, so you would see further reductions in cases, and potentially bringing this Covid-19 viral infection issue down to the level of a normal flu season. Possibly even lower.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:06 am to moneyg
quote:Hoaxes are deliberate by definition.
I think most people who throw the term hoax around are saying that the predictions of the severity of the virus were a hoax...
Why, in your opinion, would scientists around the world have deliberately lied about the predicted severity of the viral outbreak?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:06 am to jimmyb1234
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this would imply that the actual number of COVID-19 cases in the state of New York is 6.65 million, or about 1/3rd of the state's population
We're only 3 or 4 months into it though. It seems this COVID-19 is at least more contagious.
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If we assume a fatality rate of 1/350,
So, only 300k to 1 million people die a year? No big deal.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:06 am to HubbaBubba
If flu is 1/1000 and COVID is 3/1000, you still don't shut down the economy.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:08 am to LNCHBOX
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Can you at least show what the death rate would have been without the distancing measures before you make such a sweeping statement?
The death rate would be the same unless you are suggesting that healthcare availability would be impacted.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:09 am to jimmyb1234
Is that hot mic real?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:10 am to moneyg
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The death rate would be the same unless you are suggesting that healthcare availability would be impacted.
That absolutely would have happened.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:10 am to jimmyb1234
I disagree on the mere fact that we lost John Prine.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:11 am to moneyg
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Can you at least show what the death rate would have been without the distancing measures before you make such a sweeping statement?
The death rate would be the same unless you are suggesting that healthcare availability would be impacted.
Exactly. And hiding in our homes another week, month, three months, whatever is going to change exactly nothing. There are going to be flare ups whenever we open up again. It is time to get back to our lives and carry on. Sweden has it right and will be better off in the long run.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:12 am to Chuck Barris
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Hoaxes are deliberate by definition.
Why, in your opinion, would scientists around the world have deliberately lied about the predicted severity of the viral outbreak?
Don't put words in my mouth.
If I wanted to argue that point, I'd point out that I see EVERY DAY people wanting the damage to the economy to continue and for this to be prolonged. This is political, IMO. I don't think this is debatable.
The WHO has proven to act based on political motives. I don't think this is debatable.
Furthermore, I don't think it takes "scientists around the world" to deliberately lie in some sort of grand conspiracy. The studies coming out are examples of scientists doing their thing. Unfortunately for us, assuming these studies are accurate, much of the damage is done.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:12 am to SloaneRanger
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And hiding in our homes another week, month, three months, whatever is going to change exactly nothing.
How do people still not get what flattening the curve actually accomplishes? You've had almost two months to figure it out
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:13 am to sicboy
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:13 am to jimmyb1234
The virus was real. Now the panic, hysteria and social distancing horseshite is where the questions arises and why this feels hoax-ish.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:14 am to BeepNode
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We're only 3 or 4 months into it though. It seems this COVID-19 is at least more contagious.
If the study referenced here is accurate, there are only two possibilities. It's either waaaaaaay more contagious than the flu or it's been here a LOT longer than we realize.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:15 am to LNCHBOX
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That absolutely would have happened.
Can you show the data behind that before making such a sweeping statement?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:17 am to Mr. Hangover
Spot on........
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:17 am to moneyg
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Can you show the data behind that before making such a sweeping statement?
Not sure what data will show what happened in the hospitals in NOLA, NYC, etc. But resource availability was almost an issue in these areas even with all the measures.
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