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Covid “growth” rate and each state’s process
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:29 pm
So everyone is now focused on the state by state growth rate.
But two things:
1) There is no true growth rate yet. We aren’t sure how fast this is actually spreading because we are currently in a phase of expanded testing. That expanded testing alone will cause an exponential increase in cases. So while there is spread, we aren’t seeing that spread in terms of data because increased testing is its own variable.
2) Each state has its own testing criteria. Some are only testing and confirming high risk cases while others are more lenient and testing those with any symptoms. Because of this lack of uniformity, each state will show differing rates even though the actual growth could be the same or vastly different.
All this to say, stop freaking out when the numbers increase. And stop the apples to oranges comparisons with cases. That goes for country to country too. Because we are missing so many cases (this is a fact), it’s not something to latch onto. Instead, focus on hospitalizations and deaths until (although it may never happen), we test more and more and we have a better grasp on the actual case totals.
But two things:
1) There is no true growth rate yet. We aren’t sure how fast this is actually spreading because we are currently in a phase of expanded testing. That expanded testing alone will cause an exponential increase in cases. So while there is spread, we aren’t seeing that spread in terms of data because increased testing is its own variable.
2) Each state has its own testing criteria. Some are only testing and confirming high risk cases while others are more lenient and testing those with any symptoms. Because of this lack of uniformity, each state will show differing rates even though the actual growth could be the same or vastly different.
All this to say, stop freaking out when the numbers increase. And stop the apples to oranges comparisons with cases. That goes for country to country too. Because we are missing so many cases (this is a fact), it’s not something to latch onto. Instead, focus on hospitalizations and deaths until (although it may never happen), we test more and more and we have a better grasp on the actual case totals.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:32 pm to ell_13
Widespread Testing will stop in May anyway
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:38 pm to ell_13
The only number that matters is hospitalizations. Or percentage of hospital capacity.
Anything else is just to cause hysteria and views.
Once we can manage hospitalizations, we can get back to normal. We can get there through therapies or expanded capacity. We are working on both.
The chinese are also developing a vaccine by using prisoners. They want to save face. Expect a Chinese vaccine by July.
Hold tight for 3 weeks.
Anything else is just to cause hysteria and views.
Once we can manage hospitalizations, we can get back to normal. We can get there through therapies or expanded capacity. We are working on both.
The chinese are also developing a vaccine by using prisoners. They want to save face. Expect a Chinese vaccine by July.
Hold tight for 3 weeks.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:40 pm to ell_13
I'm not concerned about positives. I'm concerned about the ratio of dead to living. The current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:43 pm to HubbaBubba
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The current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.
Is the flu a big killer?
Most people I know aren't really worried about getting the flu. Most don't even get a vaccine they are so unbothered by it.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:45 pm to ell_13
I don’t disagree. Good summation. The testing program is not consistent.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:47 pm to HubbaBubba
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incidence of dieing is 20x flu
We cannot say what it is! Many are asymptomatic.
It drives me nuts!
Government officials "it's especially dangerous because many don't know have it and pass it"
Government official "proceeds to cite mortality rates defined as (deaths/positive cases) which they just admitted are wildly unknown!
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:49 pm to ell_13
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Covid “growth” rate and each state’s process
As of JBE’s press conference apparently there have been about 3500 tests and 800 cases positive in Louisiana.
So right now only about 22% of the tests are coming back positive and we are only testing the already sick showing multiple signs of covid.
As we ramp up testing the infected number will of course go up but it’s more important to look at the mortality rate and the hospitalization rate than simply the number of infected.
A thing to note is the original test kits took multiple days to get results so we will most likely see a spike in case numbers and a media firestorm Monday and Tuesday as these test results come back and then it’ll quiet down as the newer faster tests take over
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:00 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:Please show your work. My numbers show it’s a fraction of your 20X.
The current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.
I get CV-19 is about 5X more lethal than the flu and dropping every day. That’s for U.S. deaths.
The main reason is most Americans have had one or more of the flu strains in their lifetime plus millions of Americans get flu shots. These two things make for milder cases of the flu.
We’ll have a CV-19 vaccine before next year, imo.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:06 pm to HubbaBubba
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he current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.
The flu kills an average of 15,000-20,000 per year in the USA.
Currently there are 414 Covid deaths in the USA.
But you think we’ll end up with 300,000 - 400,000 deaths?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:09 pm to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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we are only testing the already sick showing multiple signs of covid.
We’ve only been testing those with Corona symptoms who have already tested negative for flu. Although that will change now but it helps explain the high positive rate. No flu was mixed in.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:13 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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But you think we’ll end up with 300,000 - 400,000 deaths?
I don’t know man. The media keeps saying April will be worse than March and June will be worse than April. I mean with that logic, 414 will become half a mil by August.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:18 am to Shaun176
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The only number that matters is hospitalizations. Or percentage of hospital capacity.
Hospitializations, ventilator use, deaths, and recoveries (in hospital, released).
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:28 am to ell_13
The numbers will be what they will be....
I agree the testing is not a true indicator of growth rate.
I am more concerned about work load on hospitals, which I have not heard discussed on news. Seems not many of those testing positive are getting seriously ill.
I agree the testing is not a true indicator of growth rate.
I am more concerned about work load on hospitals, which I have not heard discussed on news. Seems not many of those testing positive are getting seriously ill.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:31 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
March 1st they said today, March 23rd, is when shite was going to hit the fan.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:36 am to HubbaBubba
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The current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.
Negative. When all is said and done, the mortality rate in the US will be way under 1%. Probably under .5%. Deadlier than the flu? Probably. But not 20x. People are not accounting for the vast numbers of people who are completely asymptomatic or whose symptoms are so mild that they never do anything about it.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:50 am to ell_13
Rational thinking...its rare. Thanks.
When deaths go exponential I will start believing this is not a political hack job on the economy. This is all such a bunch of manipulated MSM crap. See H1N1 for a case/death comparison.
When deaths go exponential I will start believing this is not a political hack job on the economy. This is all such a bunch of manipulated MSM crap. See H1N1 for a case/death comparison.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:30 am to ell_13
The only number i care about is the death count. And unfortunately that number is steadily increasing. We went from like 150-450 in a week basically.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:35 am to QJenk
That’s not very significant in any respect
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