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Covid “growth” rate and each state’s process

Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:29 pm
So everyone is now focused on the state by state growth rate.

But two things:

1) There is no true growth rate yet. We aren’t sure how fast this is actually spreading because we are currently in a phase of expanded testing. That expanded testing alone will cause an exponential increase in cases. So while there is spread, we aren’t seeing that spread in terms of data because increased testing is its own variable.

2) Each state has its own testing criteria. Some are only testing and confirming high risk cases while others are more lenient and testing those with any symptoms. Because of this lack of uniformity, each state will show differing rates even though the actual growth could be the same or vastly different.

All this to say, stop freaking out when the numbers increase. And stop the apples to oranges comparisons with cases. That goes for country to country too. Because we are missing so many cases (this is a fact), it’s not something to latch onto. Instead, focus on hospitalizations and deaths until (although it may never happen), we test more and more and we have a better grasp on the actual case totals.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 8:31 pm
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49872 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:32 pm to
Widespread Testing will stop in May anyway
Posted by Shaun176
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
3180 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:38 pm to
The only number that matters is hospitalizations. Or percentage of hospital capacity.

Anything else is just to cause hysteria and views.

Once we can manage hospitalizations, we can get back to normal. We can get there through therapies or expanded capacity. We are working on both.

The chinese are also developing a vaccine by using prisoners. They want to save face. Expect a Chinese vaccine by July.

Hold tight for 3 weeks.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 8:48 pm
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
52649 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:40 pm to
I'm not concerned about positives. I'm concerned about the ratio of dead to living. The current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
79876 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:43 pm to
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The current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.


Is the flu a big killer?

Most people I know aren't really worried about getting the flu. Most don't even get a vaccine they are so unbothered by it.
Posted by Number 9 Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2020
681 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:45 pm to
I don’t disagree. Good summation. The testing program is not consistent.
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
7951 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:47 pm to
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incidence of dieing is 20x flu


We cannot say what it is! Many are asymptomatic.
It drives me nuts!

Government officials "it's especially dangerous because many don't know have it and pass it"

Government official "proceeds to cite mortality rates defined as (deaths/positive cases) which they just admitted are wildly unknown!
Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
Wherever I’m needed
Member since Dec 2019
1364 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:49 pm to
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Covid “growth” rate and each state’s process


As of JBE’s press conference apparently there have been about 3500 tests and 800 cases positive in Louisiana.

So right now only about 22% of the tests are coming back positive and we are only testing the already sick showing multiple signs of covid.

As we ramp up testing the infected number will of course go up but it’s more important to look at the mortality rate and the hospitalization rate than simply the number of infected.

A thing to note is the original test kits took multiple days to get results so we will most likely see a spike in case numbers and a media firestorm Monday and Tuesday as these test results come back and then it’ll quiet down as the newer faster tests take over
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135363 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:00 pm to
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The current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.
Please show your work. My numbers show it’s a fraction of your 20X.

I get CV-19 is about 5X more lethal than the flu and dropping every day. That’s for U.S. deaths.

The main reason is most Americans have had one or more of the flu strains in their lifetime plus millions of Americans get flu shots. These two things make for milder cases of the flu.

We’ll have a CV-19 vaccine before next year, imo.
Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
Wherever I’m needed
Member since Dec 2019
1364 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

he current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.


The flu kills an average of 15,000-20,000 per year in the USA.

Currently there are 414 Covid deaths in the USA.

But you think we’ll end up with 300,000 - 400,000 deaths?
Posted by WestSideTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
5501 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:09 pm to
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we are only testing the already sick showing multiple signs of covid.

We’ve only been testing those with Corona symptoms who have already tested negative for flu. Although that will change now but it helps explain the high positive rate. No flu was mixed in.

Posted by DustyDinkleman
Here
Member since Feb 2012
20388 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:13 am to
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But you think we’ll end up with 300,000 - 400,000 deaths?


I don’t know man. The media keeps saying April will be worse than March and June will be worse than April. I mean with that logic, 414 will become half a mil by August.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63685 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:18 am to
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The only number that matters is hospitalizations. Or percentage of hospital capacity.



Hospitializations, ventilator use, deaths, and recoveries (in hospital, released).
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
24926 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:28 am to
The numbers will be what they will be....
I agree the testing is not a true indicator of growth rate.
I am more concerned about work load on hospitals, which I have not heard discussed on news. Seems not many of those testing positive are getting seriously ill.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84835 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:31 am to
March 1st they said today, March 23rd, is when shite was going to hit the fan.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
14341 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:36 am to
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The current incidence of dying from this is 20x greater than with flu.



Negative. When all is said and done, the mortality rate in the US will be way under 1%. Probably under .5%. Deadlier than the flu? Probably. But not 20x. People are not accounting for the vast numbers of people who are completely asymptomatic or whose symptoms are so mild that they never do anything about it.
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Charlie Kirk's America
Member since Nov 2007
15185 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:50 am to
Rational thinking...its rare. Thanks.

When deaths go exponential I will start believing this is not a political hack job on the economy. This is all such a bunch of manipulated MSM crap. See H1N1 for a case/death comparison.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88456 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:13 am to
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17819 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:30 am to
The only number i care about is the death count. And unfortunately that number is steadily increasing. We went from like 150-450 in a week basically.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88456 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:35 am to
That’s not very significant in any respect
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