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re: COVID-19 nugget from 3/27 that is holding up rather well

Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:56 pm to
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I'll use that for all of your questions from now on, thank you


Your question was ridiculous. It was as bad as the guy saying we have no proof that social distancing isn't doing anything to slow the spread of the disease in a different thread.

So if I ever ask such a ridiculous question, you are free to use that.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:56 pm to
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That is not my assumption. I’m referring to an old lady who, if she got it today with all of the available care, dies anyway. Her life isn’t being saved but for a little while longer per the governments plan to spread this out. Not for her sake but for all the other people who would need her hospital bed in the meantime.


Available care has nothing to do with whether or not an individual gets sick!!!! Whether a hospital is empty or it’s full won’t get you sick.
The availability of a hospital bed and a ventilator only matters if you get sick.

Isolation makes it less likely that you’d get the virus. Isolation makes it less likely that hospitals get overwhelmed. If hospitals aren’t overwhelmed all patients are better served.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:56 pm to
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But what about the other old lady who has access to care because of the measures put in place and does beat it?


If she's anything like the other old lady who succumbed? We bought her an extra six months.



Posted by fitz
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:57 pm to
You're asking for proof that social distancing helps slow the spread of viruses?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:57 pm to
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You could be right if this were a long term policy.


I'm right right now. The reason our healthcare system is not overrun is because of the measures in place.
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Grandma could be left completely alone until a vaccine is available. Is that what you are suggesting?


Actual strawman.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:59 pm to
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Isolation makes it less likely that you’d get the virus.


Isolation can't last indefinitely. We're eventually going to have to come out of hiding and the virus will be waiting for us when we do. What happens in the fall when we're hit by a second wave and still months away from a vaccine? Do we go back into hiding?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:59 pm to
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Dr. Ezekiel Emmanue

How come all the “doctors” that tell us to keep everything shut down have unamerican names like this and “fauci”

Smells like terrorists to me
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:01 pm to
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What happens in the fall when we're hit by a second wave and still months away from a vaccine? Do we go back into hiding?


do all of you asking this question ignore the massive allocation of resources and race to get a defined treatment schedule in place that is currently happening?

because it kinds feels like y'all are
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted by fitz
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:02 pm to
Right? Seems like we'll be better prepared for it with more accurate testing and potential treatments.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:03 pm to
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If an old person gets this today and dies, that old person will have gotten it and died next month too.

Unless, in the interim there have been things like

-improved treatment because Doctors and health care workers have learned and are learning how to treat it,

- knowledge, use and availability of medicine that can help outcomes progresses.

- procedures to isolate and protect older or more vulnerable people are developed and put in place during the time.

- some people actually use the time to improve things about their health and wellness during the interim.

- treating X number of people over a longer period is conducive to better outcomes than treating them all at once.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:05 pm to
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do all of you asking this question ignore the massive allocation of resources and race to get a defined treatment schedule in place that is currently happening?


No, we just realize that it'll be botched because it's government who is racing to do this. I also wonder if they're including possible viral mutation into their treatment plans.



This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 1:07 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:06 pm to
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No, we just realize that it'll be botched because it's government who is racing to do this.



No.Good.News.Allowed.

My apologies for forgetting the rules.

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I also wonder if they're including possible viral mutation into their treatment plans.


I'm sure you are the only person that has thought of the possibility.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:07 pm to
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Isolation can't last indefinitely. We're eventually going to have to come out of hiding and the virus will be waiting for us when we do. What happens in the fall when we're hit by a second wave and still months away from a vaccine? Do we go back into hiding?

There is no one answer. If I’m the mayor of NYC my decision is not the same as the mayor of Schenectady. NO isn’t the same as LC. A lot of what we are seeing now differs from place to place and there isn’t one best solution. Hopefully by now the virus isn’t waiting out there as it was initially in hot spots and it’s run it’s course in most places.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:09 pm to
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I'm sure you are the only person that has thought of the possibility.


With government? You'd be surprised.

Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:09 pm to
Just because you used the word “literally” doesn’t make it true. Again, because you can’t seem to understand it all the other times I’ve written it out... keeping hospitals below capacity saves lives. I know this. It’s an obvious point. It’s the whole reason for the shutdown. My point is who does that really save? A hospital at capacity because it’s filled with old, sick covid patients won’t simply kill more old, sick covid patients. That’s a tiny percentage of those needing hospital care in an emergency: car wrecks, at home accidents, other illnesses, etc make up much more of that necessity.

Now, there’s a whole other argument about what it would have taken to keep us below that capacity and if the whole shutdown was worth it or if the measures exceeded what was necessary. People will debate that for years and it’s what GTG was alluding to.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:10 pm to
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With government? You'd be surprised.


politicians are not currently testing treatment schedules

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:10 pm to
Asking you what your position is, is not a strawman. It’s the exact opposite.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:11 pm to
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Isolation can't last indefinitely. We're eventually going to have to come out of hiding and the virus will be waiting for us when we do. What happens in the fall when we're hit by a second wave and still months away from a vaccine? Do we go back into hiding?



it's not a question of if, but when the second wave hits us....hopefully without having a vaccine, at least they may have a better grasp on treatments.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:13 pm to
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politicians are not currently testing treatment schedules


That matters not. I've been in the military for seven years now and can state definitely that incompetence and idiocy extends well beyond Capitol Hill. Zero accountability is universal in this business.

This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 1:14 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:14 pm to
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Just because you used the word “literally” doesn’t make it true


In this case it does those, because it's literally exactly what you said.
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My point is who does that really save?


This has been answered. You choose to ignore it because you continue to stick with your "old lady is going to die regardless stance."
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