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re: Couple Kicked Off Plane for Ignoring In-Flight Safety Briefing
Posted on 5/8/19 at 2:27 pm to TH03
Posted on 5/8/19 at 2:27 pm to TH03
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Since they aren't required to listen to the safety briefing, the instruction from the flight attendant to pay attention isn't valid.
Well there are no rules saying you can't frick around on your wife either but a judge will rip your arse sideways, monetarily, when your soon to be ex hauls you off to court.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 2:38 pm to GRTiger
I get that the rule safety reviews are basically a CYA for the airlines. I do not know this to be a fact, but I always assumed that part of the process of reviewing the safety guidelines for people in exit rows was for the flight attendant to ensure that someone is capable of preforming the tasks. Maybe they appear intoxicated or physically/mentally unable to preform the tasks with 100% certainty. Maybe they speak a foreign language. I don't know. However if it was my job to review safety guidelines, no matter the venue and/or subject, and someone is blatantly ignoring me/being a douche thus causing a delay for 25 minutes. If it was up to my discretion to remove them, yea I probably would.
I mean it is hard to argue that excessive doucheness does not warrant a similar response.
I mean it is hard to argue that excessive doucheness does not warrant a similar response.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 2:43 pm to JPinLondon
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speaking of hypotheticals, does the gay flight attendant still have your pants? How did that go, anyway? Topsies or Bottomsies?
I made a hyperbolic extension of the reasoning for kicking them off the plane. It followed the same logic as this story. It was a demand with no backing in airline regulations.
You created an entirely fictional person then analyzed his ability to save you on a plane based on his level on ghetto.
If you can't see the difference between these, then you aren't very bright.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 2:46 pm to TH03
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I made a hyperbolic extension of the reasoning for kicking them off the plane. It followed the same logic as this story. It was a demand with no backing in airline regulations.
You created an entirely fictional person then analyzed his ability to save you on a plane based on his level on ghetto.
It was a joke. But me thinks thou doth protest too much!
(that's Hamlet, btw)
Posted on 5/8/19 at 2:53 pm to JPinLondon
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Assuming your 10% is correct (and I work in the fire/police/safety business, and used to work in aerospace btw, I mostly dispute your figure)
Fire - has training for stressful situations
Police - has training for stressful situations
Safety - training to avoid stressful situations
Aerospace- has training to avoid stressful situations
Do you think your average exit row passenger is a fireman who is a part time police officer, whose hobby is being an astronaut?
Posted on 5/8/19 at 2:56 pm to TH03
quote:BTW, no it did not!
I made a hyperbolic extension of the reasoning for kicking them off the plane. It followed the same logic as this story. It was a demand with no backing in airline regulations.
You'd be VERY hard pressed to find a judge, jury, or an Air NZ HR Rep to agree with the person sticking their hands in their ears in an exit row during the safety demonstration. Passengers must follow instructions from crew. Exit row passengers have additional duties and responsibilities.
And a flight attendant ordering a passenger to remove their pants would get no sympathy from any judge, jury or HR rep by stating "but I am crew, and I ordered him".
Being absurd and/or hyperbolic does not always lead one closer to a determination. But yes, it sometimes does. But not here.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 3:14 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:Thib-a-doe Tiger, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and answer me this...
Do you think your average exit row passenger is a fireman who is a part time police officer, whose hobby is being an astronaut?
I'll assume you have someone you love in your life. Maybe a nine year old son or your wife or your mother. So let's say you two are on a domestic flight, and two rows behind an exit row.
During the safety demonstration, and particularly the special instructions given to the exit row passengers, you notice that the people in the exit row all seem to nod "yes" and say "yes" when questioned by the crew.
But then as the flight progresses you notice they all are speaking, say, Korean and essentially no English at all. And you wonder, at least some, if they can fully understand crew instructions (a requirement of sitting in that row).
And an emergency happens, engine-related and possibly fire related, and the Captain informs you that an emergency landing will happen in 12 minutes.
Do you inform the FA of your observation and let the crew make a secondary determination if the passengers can understand the instructions and perform the duties?
If yes, then please shut the frick up.
NOTE: for the loons out there, I am not saying that Koreans are inept, nor that people cannot be fluently bi-lingual.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 3:15 pm to TH03
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I'm addressing the validty of the crew instructions because they were not up to regulations.
The tone of this thread would be completely different if they got kicked off for ignoring the flight attendants instruction to remove their MAGA hats.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 3:58 pm to JPinLondon
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yes, then please shut the frick up.
Oh he big mad
And you a presenting a scenario that is unlikely to matter, as we are unlikely to survive impact
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:00 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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And you a presenting a scenario that is unlikely to matter, as we are unlikely to survive impact
You know VERY little about the statistics of airplane incidents.
And even if you were correct, which you are not, you didn't answer the question.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:02 pm to JPinLondon
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You know VERY little about the statistics of airplane incidents.
And even if you were correct, which you are not, you didn't answer the question.
I am 100% correct as it relates to commercial airline crashes. The NTSB numbers you look at are mostly comprised of small planes that ditch at 60mph at the end of the runway
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:09 pm to TH03
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That's a bit excessive.
I think you have a right to complain about puke on a seat and comment on fatties is fair, those cases were excessive.
The two in the emergency row got what they deserved.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:16 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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I am 100% correct as it relates to commercial airline crashes. The NTSB numbers...
How many commercial, domestic, airline fatalities have occurred in the last ten years. I don't feel like looking it up, but I believe the answer is one (1), last year -- a cabin breach due to uncontained fan blade on an SWA flight from NY to TX.
The one before that was, I think, ~11 years ago, the Colgan Air / Continental Express crash in Buffalo (unsurvivable). Blamed on icing and crew fatigue.
Are you espousing a belief that there have been only a couple emergency evacuations in the last eleven years? Really??
More importantly, and still unanswered, do you think there is ANY value in trying to weed out the stupid, antagonistic, inattentive, non-English speaking, frail, deaf, handicapped, drunk, high, etc. from exit rows?
ETA I added "DOMESTIC" above, and I know that makes a difference. So I will accept any guff I get if you are pouncing on that now.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:38 pm to JPinLondon
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How many commercial, domestic, airline fatalities have occurred in the last ten years.
How many commercial, domestic planes have crashed in the last 10 years? That’s an easy point to hide behind
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:43 pm to JPinLondon
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More importantly, and still unanswered, do you think there is ANY value in trying to weed out the stupid, antagonistic, inattentive, non-English speaking, frail, deaf, handicapped, drunk, high, etc. from exit rows?
Not really, as it is extremely unlikely to matter one way or the other
Posted on 5/8/19 at 5:28 pm to Bard
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I would rather not only not take my chances with someone like that but I would rather such assholery not even be on the flight at all.
Oh yea? Would you rather that?
This fricking guy checks emergency rows to make sure the passengers are to his standards. Or more likely, and to the point of bullshite and virtue signaling, he doesn't.
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Try reading the story first. These precious snowflakes you're knighting for were in the exit row, one going so far as to even put her fingers in her ears to avoid paying attention. Yes, I would rather the little old lady who paid attention sitting there rather than the juvenile egotist. One is going to at least try to do the right thing, the other would probably do nothing but create drama then rush to be the first one to the cameras to talk about how crazy everyone was acting.
God damn
I just got off a plane. Sat in the emergency row. Walked on plane buzzed, was served drinks in flight.
Keep thinking this grave and important seat requires Jack Ryan while normal FAs do their legal duty of waking me up to ask me if I'm able to do something I've never done, attempted to do, will ever do. Sleep better at night knowing I said "yes."
Enjoy your one flight a year, you pearl clutching n00b.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 5:57 pm to JPinLondon
I have requested that an elderly frail woman be moved from the exit door seat. I don't do let's pretend.
It would have been more elegant to move the prissy couple and put a strapping man there.
By the time you have to beg for attention you should be able to surmise that woman would be a loser under real stress.
It would have been more elegant to move the prissy couple and put a strapping man there.
By the time you have to beg for attention you should be able to surmise that woman would be a loser under real stress.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 6:12 pm to TH03
I had a few chardonnays, what of it?
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