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Couple Kicked Off Plane for Ignoring In-Flight Safety Briefing

Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:13 am
Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:13 am
JP supports this action, the couple was in an exit row and antagonistically ignored and distracted the safety briefing.

You can ask to be re-seated, but that row comes with responsibilities, if you choose to sit there. A few seconds of chaos or inaction would likely mean more injuries and fatalities in a serious incident.

I fly somewhat often, but rarely get the exit row. I knok most of the O-T is either in business/first class or flying their own Gulfstream G650, so this is a non-issue. When I do have the window seat on an exit row, after the safety briefing, I typically tell the aisle person "if something happens, you hold 'em back and I'll get this door off".

Additional observations:
1) the person who described them as "wealthy looking" is a douche.
2) I need to start working "chuffed" into my vocabulary

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Brendan Cole (1 day ago)

Two people were reportedly ejected from a flight on Tuesday because they refused to take notice of the safety briefing before take-off. The couple were on board an Air New Zealand flight bound from Wellington to Auckland when they were asked to pay attention to the pre-flight safety announcement. The couple were in the exit row where passengers are given special instructions.

One passenger sitting nearby said that the couple were “wealthy looking” telling Stuff that the woman was blonde, had a Louis Vuitton bag, and appeared very "high maintenance."

"The video started playing and the flight attendant held up the card, but the woman started looking down at her book."

"A flight attendant said very patiently 'Can you please watch what's happening because this is the exit row?'"
Their lack of attention was holding the flight up and people were becoming agitated, the unnamed passenger told Stuff.

She added: "The flight attendant was super kind and kept asking her, but the woman put her fingers in her ears.

"They didn't seem to care. The passengers behind them were saying 'For God's sake, it takes two minutes to look at it, just look at it' ... they seemed like they were too important for it."

The plane then returned to the gate where police were waiting to detain them and the flight was delayed by 25 minutes. "You'd think they'd be embarrassed or mortified, but they seemed quite chuffed about the whole thing,” the passenger added.

Wellington Police told The New Zealand Herald that a female passenger will receive an infringement notice under Civil Aviation Authority rules relating to the use of a cellphone.

While there are no rules expressly forcing people to listen to safety instructions, New Zealand’s Civil Aviation Authority states that airlines have a right to refuse to carry passengers that they consider to be a potential risk to the safety of the aircraft, its crew, or its passengers. This includes the right to stop a passenger from flying if they have not obeyed the instructions of ground staff or a member of the crew relating to safety or security.

There have been several cases recently of people being removed from flights before take-off.

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Last month, a woman was ejected from a Frontier Airlines flight after complaining about vomit on her daughter’s seat. Rosetta Swinney’s flight was leaving Las Vegas for North Carolina when her 14-year-old daughter sat on a seat with vomit on it, she claimed, according to an ABC 7 report.

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Meanwhile in January, a woman was kicked off a United Airlines flight from Las Vegas to Newark after she complained loudly on her cellphone that the passengers next to her were overweight, CBS reported.

Couple Kicked Off Plane for Ignoring In-Flight Safety Briefing
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:14 am to
That's a bit excessive.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101920 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:17 am to
Good, frick them.
Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
7855 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:18 am to
quote:

That's a bit excessive.
If they were "suspected" as being inattentive, that is one thing. This couple actively and antagonistically violated the regulation, and went out of their way to get in the shite they put themselves in.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29311 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:22 am to
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That's a bit excessive.


Huh? I think they should have had a public caning right there on the runway me.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:22 am to
quote:

antagonistically violated the regulation


What regulation?

quote:

While there are no rules expressly forcing people to listen to safety instructions, New Zealand’s Civil Aviation Authority states that airlines have a right to refuse to carry passengers that they consider to be a potential risk to the safety of the aircraft, its crew, or its passengers. This includes the right to stop a passenger from flying if they have not obeyed the instructions of ground staff or a member of the crew relating to safety or security


Since they aren't required to listen to the safety briefing, the instruction from the flight attendant to pay attention isn't valid.
Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
7855 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:23 am to
dude' I don't believe you believe what you are typing. You are just trying to get me to argue. You are full of shite.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79235 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:23 am to
What about the second bolded portion of that?

Does it really matter? No.

But they got kicked off for being striver assholes and I'm ok with it.
Posted by geauxtigersgirl
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:24 am to
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Posted by Tyga Woods
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:24 am to
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Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:25 am to
quote:

What about the second bolded portion of that?



I addressed that. It isn't a valid command to instruct someone to do something that isn't required.

If you aren't required to do action A and command from someone for you to perform action A can be ignored.

quote:

But they got kicked off for being striver assholes and I'm ok with it.


For sure, but it's all based on the opinion of the crew so that's a slippery arse slope.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 11:26 am
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79235 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:28 am to
quote:

I addressed that. It isn't a valid command to instruct someone to do something that isn't required.



I mean, if you can stop someone from flying if they don't follow the crew's instructions, how is the command invalid. There are two sources of authority here, what the regulations require and what the crew instructs.

They didn't follow the latter and got the boot.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:30 am to
quote:

if you can stop someone from flying if they don't follow the crew's instructions, how is the command invalid. There are two sources of authority here, what the regulations require and what the crew instructs.


I'm addressing the validty of the crew instructions because they were not up to regulations.

If they tell me to take my pants off and I refuse, I can be kicked off? Now obviously that's an absurd hyperbolic example, but petty shite could definitely happen here.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Air New Zealand


I was fortunate enough to fly their business class from L.A. to Auckland when I was younger. It was the single best flight I have ever taken. The seats were thick Lamb fur and were super soft. They served baked halibut that was very good.

With that said, this couple needs to eat a bag of dicks.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6374 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:32 am to
quote:

If you aren't required to do action A and command from someone for you to perform action A can be ignored.


Based on? If you're not required to do Action A, but you are required to do Action B, what happens when your obligation to Action B requires you to perform Action A.

Unless the obligation would lead to an illegal act, it could be argued that Action B supersedes Action A.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:33 am to
Action A and B are the exact same.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:34 am to
quote:

G650



for poors.



G750 or Falcon 900EX if you want me to even consider the trip.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79235 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:34 am to
quote:

If they tell me to take my pants off and I refuse, I can be kicked off? Now obviously that's an absurd hyperbolic example, but petty shite could definitely happen here.



Sure it could, but it didn't. I think your argument is better if the regulations explicitly said "passengers don't have to do ______" and they were required to do so by the crew.

Here, something customarily requested and generally (and without issue) complied with was not complied with, and then when pressed, those asked to comply were outlandishly dismissive in their non-compliance.

Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:35 am to
Or option C

Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47507 posts
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:36 am to
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2) I need to start working "chuffed" into my vocabulary




How can a real LSU fan not use "Chuff" as a verb on the reg?

This is a real life example of chuff in a sentence
"Mike VII chuffed for us when we stopped by for a quick visit en route to Alex Box.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 11:37 am
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