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re: Country Music is changing, Jason Isbell's White Man's World
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:41 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:41 pm to Lsupimp
quote:I think you've entered "no true Scotsman" territory where you're searching hard for a distinction between similar messages from different eras because you don't want to admit that Cash and Haggard, who you respect, and modern "SJW'S", who you don't, have some valid criticisms of society in common.
As for Cash and Haggard and their support for the oppressed or the working man or chronicling those struggling on the margins of society , I would argue that is a long way from championing SJW/Leftist/anti- American ideals. They in fact were fierce defenders of American traditionalism and Individual Liberty, they just wanted America to be consistent in applying these ideals.
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Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:44 pm to Rouge
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He does not know thy audience
Dude just committed career suicide.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:45 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Dude just committed career suicide.
Y’all are idiots. He didn’t commit career suicide.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:46 pm to TigerFred
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Another shitbag who thinks rap should be in country music. frick him and those that think we need to agree with him.
The ignorance here is astounding. Please find me an Isbell song that is even remotely rap.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:49 pm to RedPop4
quote:Yeah, I'm sure a guy who's won four Grammy awards, had the #1 Country album on the Billboard charts a few years ago and makes regular successful tours is really struggling for relevance.
Which is why he wrote and performs this song. SJW "speaking truth to power" and what-have-you is the surest route to critical acclaim. He can't and won't accomplish it on the strength of his music, perhaps, but damn, he'll be relevant in the media.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:49 pm to Chuck Barris
Umm except I already acknowledged said valid criticisms. Key word there of course, being valid. Not all criticisms are valid.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:50 pm to urinetrouble
This thread is hilarious. I love the “career suicide” rhetoric.
This album literally came out a year ago and he won a Grammy for it. He’s immensely more popular now than ever. I’ve seen him half a dozen times and honestly can’t ever recall him bringing up politics at his concerts.
80% of the people responding have no clue as to what they are arguing against, they’re just nervous because somebody has a different political opinion.
This album literally came out a year ago and he won a Grammy for it. He’s immensely more popular now than ever. I’ve seen him half a dozen times and honestly can’t ever recall him bringing up politics at his concerts.
80% of the people responding have no clue as to what they are arguing against, they’re just nervous because somebody has a different political opinion.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:52 pm to Pettifogger
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Now he just writes trite, eyeroll-inducing SJW shite.
The song in the OP and maybe one other song of his could even come close to being described as this.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:53 pm to McLemore
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People like Haggard and Cash were obviously pre- modern-SJW and pre- the social media virtue signalling moral-self-licensing epedemic we're suffering today.
Exactly. When Cash and others expressed a point of view it was at the risk of their personal popularity and commercial appeal. Today's virtue signallers do it primarily because it brings them attention and acclaim from the media. Big difference.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:55 pm to Lawyers_Guns_Money
People prefer narratives. Narratives don’t require thought.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:56 pm to Chuck Barris
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Yeah, I'm sure a guy who's won four Grammy awards, had the #1 Country album on the Billboard charts a few years ago and makes regular successful tours is really struggling for relevance.
Who decides who receives these type of awards? Their peers, and if I"m not mistaken (I could be) I don't know that the Grammy voters get to vote only in their own genre...then my point is right? Most Grammy voters, musicians and people in the industry, SEEM to articulate "SJW" values.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:57 pm to Lawyers_Guns_Money
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This album literally came out a year ago and he won a Grammy for it
That’s my biggest problem with the whole thing. He won a Grammy for that album. It really wasn’t even that great of an album and it certainly didn’t live up to the previous year’s winner, Sturgill Simpson’s Sailer’s Guide to Earth
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:00 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Or the accolades are because he is an all timer in terms of songwriting.
The politics are literally in 2 songs of his and honestly don’t even matter. The majority of his songs are about the greatness that is the south and and celebrating southern values.
If a dude’s political opinion in 2 songs out of 4-5 record bothers you, you are truly looking for a reason to be offended.
The politics are literally in 2 songs of his and honestly don’t even matter. The majority of his songs are about the greatness that is the south and and celebrating southern values.
If a dude’s political opinion in 2 songs out of 4-5 record bothers you, you are truly looking for a reason to be offended.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:03 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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That’s my biggest problem with the whole thing. He won a Grammy for that album. It really wasn’t even that great of an album and it certainly didn’t live up to the previous year’s winner, Sturgill Simpson’s Sailer’s Guide to Earth
That’s the way this stuff works. When they get more popular, they win awards regardless of whether that particular album is their best.
“Sailor’s Guide” was shite compared to Metamodern, but he won the award for it and deservedly so.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:06 pm to Lsupimp
quote:Well, now we'd be stuck trying to define what an "SJW" is in order to argue about whether or not Cash was one, and that's pointless. It's like trying to define what makes somebody a "Trumptard" versus being a "conservative."
Umm except I already acknowledged said valid criticisms. Key word there of course, being valid. Not all criticisms are valid.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:07 pm to Lawyers_Guns_Money
Oh don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t care less about an artist’s political views, I just didn’t like the album. I thought Tupelo was a beautifully written and performed song, though. Last of my Kind and If we Were Vampires were pretty good songs too, but that’s it.
I also think we might need to pump the breaks on him being an all time songwriter. He’s no Merle or Willie or Kris.
I also think we might need to pump the breaks on him being an all time songwriter. He’s no Merle or Willie or Kris.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:10 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Oh don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t care less about an artist’s political views, I just didn’t like the album. I thought Tupelo was a beautifully written and performed song, though. Last of my Kind and If we Were Vampires were pretty good songs too, but that’s it. I also think we might need to pump the breaks on him being an all time songwriter. He’s no Merle or Willie or Kris.
Respect all those comments. Agreed it wasn’t his best album.
I’m seeing Willie, Sturgill, and Bingham tonight so cheers!
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:10 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I thought Tupelo was a beautifully written and performed song, though. Last of my Kind and If we Were Vampires were pretty good songs too, but that’s it.
Those are some of the best songs he's ever written. I'm a big fan of Molotov and Chaos & Clothes as well. It's probably his most uneven record, but still worthy IMO.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:11 pm to Lawyers_Guns_Money
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“Sailor’s Guide” was shite compared to Metamodern,
I think that too, although the production and sound mixing on Sailor’s Guide was better but the songs themselves weren’t as good as Metamodern.
And honestly, when it comes to Sturgill, I think High Top Mountain is by far his best album.
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