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Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:54 am to theunknownknight
I’d say the graph represents the results of the ingredients.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:17 am to SpartanSoul
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Glyphosate is so commonly used it is found in many foods on the shelf even if in "trace" amounts. It is found in higher levels and more often in GMO containing products. I choose to avoid exposure if possible.
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Well if you want to get down to it it is for both. The herbicide increases
So I’m guessing you avoid organic foods that are sprayed with pesticides that are considered more toxic than glyphosate?
The herbicides they were using were doing that anyway
They didn’t need glyphosate to get rid of weeds
And now the worst weeds are resistant to glyphosate anyway
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Well I did say long story short. The "delivery guy" delivering the chemicals was against the spraying since the field had received some sort of spraying already and said it wasn't necessary. This is from the guy that stood to make money from selling the chemicals, and he said it was common so it stuck out to me. This was about "extra" spraying not about the general spraying that I'm pretty sure everyone recognizes the need for.
This is so anecdotal nobody with half a brain should listen to it
And it makes literally no sense. And it leads me to believe you are lying are just have no clue what you were hearing
In crop Herbicides are sprayed early in the growing season usually one time - then fungicides with maybe an insecticide- then an insecticide later when pest move in
So either that guy didn’t know what he was doing or you don’t know what you are talking about
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:28 am to High C
If people simply cut out the number of calories they drink; obesity rates would plummet.
Even diet drinks just encourage people to consume more.
I know people are addicted to their fizzy drinks, but some seltzer water and a little fruit juice is way better than chugging a liter of cola every hour.
And if people would cook for themselves again, they would not only lose weight, but they'd save money. Oh well. Americans are very well trained to consume.
Even diet drinks just encourage people to consume more.
I know people are addicted to their fizzy drinks, but some seltzer water and a little fruit juice is way better than chugging a liter of cola every hour.
And if people would cook for themselves again, they would not only lose weight, but they'd save money. Oh well. Americans are very well trained to consume.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Seems like a good 20% of this boards problems could be solved by cooking at home.
No tipping involved, quality ingredients...
And still save money even if they pay extra for those quality ingredients. And that doesn't even factor in health costs.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:59 am to High C
How much of the life expectancy in the US is affected by:
1. Different way we calculate a stillborn death as a death vs other countries?
2. Early death due to gang violence?
1. Different way we calculate a stillborn death as a death vs other countries?
2. Early death due to gang violence?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:08 pm to High C
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I’d say the graph represents the results of the ingredients.
Looks to me like the graph predominately reflects demographics differences in life expectancy which renders the international comparison meaningless.
No doubt diet is in the mix too. Why do Asians in America live to an average age of 83 while American blacks clock in at 70.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:13 pm to Ricardo
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If people simply cut out the number of calories they drink; obesity rates would plummet.
People aren't eating more than they used to, compared to the 70s or 80s. What they eat has changed though.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:16 pm to Midtiger farm
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So I’m guessing you avoid organic foods that are sprayed with pesticides that are considered more toxic than glyphosate?
Well yeah. I do my best to avoid any "cides" but you feel free to eat any and all that you want.
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They didn’t need glyphosate to get rid of weeds
It was part of the package with the GMO "terminator" seed. Crops by subscription so to speak.
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This is so anecdotal nobody with half a brain should listen to it
Oh and here is a link to another graph, Notice how the units are in Millions of Tons But yeah sure every ounce is desperately meaded.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1263077/global-pesticide-agricultural-use/
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And it leads me to believe you are lying
It's the internet, you can call me a liar all you want, don't worry about me, you can't hurt my feelings but whatever you do don't post any proof that the food production industry makes its decisions based on peoples health and not profit.
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So either that guy didn’t know what he was doing
That's kind of the point of my post. The guy who was delivering and stood to make more money said don't do it but the guy was damn set on spraying for "insurance" or whatever reason. He thought it was in HIS benefit to spray, he wasn't thinking of anyone that would eat the products those soybeans ended up in.
Maybe there weren't any trace remains left at harvest time but maybe there was. The point is consumer health isn't the primary driver in most decisions.
It is obvious from your screen name and responses that you are a farmer. Thank you for feeding us and hopefully you are responsible in your decision making regarding the use of chemicals but I would suggest you look at the "anecdotal" accusation and think it may apply to your own opinions.
As stated there are millions of tons of various chemicals sprayed all over our food. And remember the food supply is global, that prepackaged food you eat probably has at least some content from some 3rd world shithole that doesn't give a shite about food safety and produce comes from all over as well.
Modern industrial agriculture has exponentially increased yields and allowed the production of amazing amounts of food but we need to be mindful of the price paid to our health due to some of these advances.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:40 pm to High C
Posted on 7/8/23 at 1:29 pm to SpartanSoul
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Well yeah. I do my best to avoid any "cides" but you feel free to eat any and all that you want.
So on organic labels they list the pesticides sprayed?
h and here is a link to another graph, Notice how the units are in Millions of Tons But yeah sure every ounce is desperately meaded.
Notice how it peaks out before gmo crops were adopted and it only shows till 05 - you know how much has changed in ag in 17 years
Also how do you know it doesn’t need to be used when you don’t know much about agriculture?
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It is obvious from your screen name and responses that you are a farmer. Thank you for feeding us and hopefully you are responsible in your decision making regarding the use of chemicals but I would suggest you look at the "anecdotal" accusation and think it may apply to your own opinions
I don’t need a thank you from anyone. I need you to stfu and stop spreading false propaganda
No farmer spends extra money to spray a field just to do it
Margins are super tight and it’s not sustainable to run your business that way
Posted on 7/8/23 at 2:32 pm to Midtiger farm
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So on organic labels they list the pesticides sprayed?
You can mitigate exposure by what you eat and where it is grown/sold or self grow produce.
For example avocados there is no need to worry since spray rates are low across the board. You can peal certain veggies, wash well etc, buy from US produced products etc. You can buy from local farms where you can get to know the farmer or best of all grow some yourself and know exactly what you are eating. But you know all of that since you are an expert.
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Notice how it peaks out before gmo crops were adopted and it only shows till 05 - you know how much has changed in ag in 17 years
And? I'm thinking the spray rates in the 1800s produced healthier food for the end consumer. Do you honestly think spraying more chemicals on our for is healthier? Or does it just allow for more to be produced? You can quibble over slight ups and downs, the point remains that chemical usage rates are exponentially higher than they were before. It is all in search of higher yields/profits period. No one is saying "I think I'll spray this "cide" to make a healthier(for the consumer)product, they are doing it for "more". Quantity over quality.
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Also how do you know it doesn’t need to be used when you don’t know much about agriculture?
In my example I posted the "chemical guy" experts said it wasn't but you say it was even though you weren't there.
How do you know it was?
As for the spray rate graphs bugs and other pests existed before the huge rise in the spraying and food was produced. Yes the sprays have allowed increase production for a larger population but once again, quantity over quality.
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I don’t need a thank you from anyone. I need you to stfu and stop spreading false propaganda
This will be my last response to you since you are obviously getting emotional and can't have a rational civilized discussion.
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No farmer spends extra money to spray a field just to do it
Margins are super tight and it’s not sustainable to run your business that way
As I stated, the decisions made from the farmer to the food processors etc. are made for profit not food quality. You own thin profit margin comment witnesses to it. They will always choose quantity over quality. They will spray for a few tenths of a percent of profit margins and the consumers health is not factored in.
I'm sure no one reading this thread believes you would give up any crop yield to produce a healthier product. And I stated before I just encourage people to do their own research to make informed decisions on their health.
With that I will bow out and not respond to you anymore. have a great day.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 3:27 pm to SpartanSoul
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As I stated, the decisions made from the farmer to the food processors etc. are made for profit not food quality. You own thin profit margin comment witnesses to it. They will always choose quantity over quality. They will spray for a few tenths of a percent of profit margins and the consumers health is not factored in. I'm sure no one reading this thread believes you would give up any crop yield to produce a healthier product
You don’t know this because you don’t know anyone in ag except some salesman from a ag distributor- guess what he isn’t an expert
That extra spraying isn’t going to get extra yields
Farmers are going to do just enough to get a decent yield
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It is all in search of higher yields/profits period. No one is saying "I think I'll spray this "cide" to make a healthier(for the consumer)product, they are doing it for "more". Quantity over quality.
So fungicides don’t provide better quality products?
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avocados
So you only eat avacados in season? None from Mexico?
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This will be my last response to you since you are obviously getting emotional and can't have a rational civilized discussion.
Lol I’m not getting emotional- I just don’t appreciate a Luddite spreading false info about and running down American agriculture when you don’t know anything about it
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