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re: Correlation between US food ingredients, cancer, and healthcare expenditures
Posted on 7/7/23 at 6:12 pm to josh336
Posted on 7/7/23 at 6:12 pm to josh336
Josh agree 100%, we walked more but then again I didn’t get to a gym for two weeks. But it’s nuts when on an eating and drinking tour of Italy for 2 weeks and not only feel incredible but lose almost 10 pounds. Nuts
I had wine and desert every day, I expected to gain 8 pounds not lose 8 pounds
I had wine and desert every day, I expected to gain 8 pounds not lose 8 pounds
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:16 pm to High C
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:38 pm to GeauxOCDP
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Agreed. While capitalism is great, it's also a breeding ground for absolutely shitty people. Add in shareholders, and here we are... Absurd medical costs, shite food thats too expensive, self checkouts, layoffs, embarrassingly high cost for higher education, etc..
Zimbabwe cured all of that! Unfortunately, their life expectancy fell to 34 as a result. A lot of this is indeed lifestyle and cultural habits.
Conversely, my wife is Korean and my cholesterol dropped 25 points due to dietary changes. I like to try new things.
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Life expectancy at birth in the United States declined nearly a year from 2020 to 2021, according to new provisional data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). That decline – 77.0 to 76.1 years – took U.S. life expectancy at birth to its lowest level since 1996. The 0.9 year drop in life expectancy in 2021, along with a 1.8 year drop in 2020, was the biggest two-year decline in life expectancy since 1921-1923.
The data are featured in a new report, “Provisional Life Expectancy Estimates for 2021.” The report shows non-Hispanic American Indian-Alaskan Native people (AIAN) had the biggest drop in life expectancy in 2021 – 1.9 years. AIAN people had a life expectancy at birth of 65.2 years in 2021 – equal to the life expectancy of the total U.S. population in 1944. AIAN life expectancy has declined 6.6 years from 2019 to 2021.
Non-Hispanic white people in the United States had the second biggest decline in life expectancy in 2021 – one full year from 77.4 in 2020 to 76.4 in 2021. Non-Hispanic Black people had the third biggest decline, a 0.7 year drop from 71.5 years in 2020 to 70.8 in 2021. Life expectancy at birth in 2021 was the lowest for both groups since 1995. After a large (4.0 year) drop in life expectancy from 2019 to 2020, Hispanic people in the U.S. had a slight decline in 2021 of 0.2 years to 77.6 years. Life expectancy for non-Hispanic Asian people also dropped slightly in 2021 – 0.1 years – to 83.5 years, the highest life expectancy of any race/ethnic group included in this analysis.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220831.htm
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:43 pm to High C
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How much more does it cost to get the stuff without all the toxins in it?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:36 pm to High C
My mom was diagnosed with diabetes about 10 years ago. The family adopted a sugar free diet. Most of the processed foods at the store were full of sugar. I learned to make homemade ketchup, salad dressing, barbeque sauce, etc. We mostly eat lean meat and vegetables from the garden. Giving up almost all convenience foods felt like a challenge at first but the quality of the homemade versions is much higher.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 3:15 am to High C
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:47 am to bountyhunter
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Also interesting is the collaborative use of pesticides in conjunction with genetically-modified crops
Anyone who thinks there is more pesticide use with gmo crops doesn’t know how gmos work and shouldn’t be listened to on any subject regarding science
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:54 am to High C
I just looked at everything on our shelves and I don't have a single food with potassium bromate.
Dry Foods include:
Kodiak Cakes
Sourdough Bread
Schar Crackers
Gluten Free Oreos
Whey Protein Powder
What is potassium bromate in?
Dry Foods include:
Kodiak Cakes
Sourdough Bread
Schar Crackers
Gluten Free Oreos
Whey Protein Powder
What is potassium bromate in?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:16 am to Midtiger farm
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Anyone who thinks there is more pesticide use with gmo crops doesn’t know how gmos work and shouldn’t be listened to on any subject regarding science
GMO doesn't always mean increase patricide use but it can.
I've seen it with my own eyes. One of the primary reason to use GMO is so they can spray herbicides(glyphosate/Roundup) to increase yields. This to me is bad enough since many foods containing GMO products test for "trace" levels of glyphosate but since a major portion of the cost of spraying is in the personnel/time/equipment/fuel there can be spraying of pesticides at the same time even if not specifically needed. The financial implications make for a case of "insurance" spraying. As I say I've seen it in person, you can debate how often it happens but there is no doubt that it does happen.
GMO isn't evil in and of itself but depends on why it was genetically modified, how it was modified and how it was raised/processed. These days it would be wise to be skeptical of any corporation or gov regulator approval since many do not have your health as a higher priority than profit margins. YMMV
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:24 am to SpartanSoul
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e seen it with my own eyes. One of the primary reason to use GMO is so they can spray herbicides(glyphosate/Roundup) to increase yields. This to me is bad enough since many foods containing GMO products test for "trace" levels of glyphosate but since a major portion of the cost of spraying is in the personnel/time/equipment/fuel there can be spraying of pesticides at the same time even if not specifically needed. The financial implications make for a case of "insurance" spraying. As I say I've seen it in person, you can debate how often it happens but there is no doubt that it does happen.
Do you think they didn’t spray pesticides on crops before gmos ?
You saw farmers spraying glyphosate even if they didn’t need it? How did you know what they were spraying and how did you know it wasn’t needed?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:40 am to Midtiger farm
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Do you think they didn’t spray pesticides on crops before gmos ?
You saw farmers spraying glyphosate even if they didn’t need it? How did you know what they were spraying and how did you know it wasn’t needed?
Of course they sprayed before.
Do you deny that one of the primary drivers of GMO was to increase the use of herbicides to increase yield? Roundup Ready ring a bell?
Yes I have seen it. Long story short:
Was with a friend who had to stop by one of his friends up by St Francisville. They were on a big arse soybean field and were preparing to spray Roundup. They were talking about whether to add pesticides to the mix. I was making conversation and asked what kind of bug problem they were having. The response was none and the explanation I refereed to above. This guy had been a farmer all of his life and was one of several generations in his family.
Do you deny think it was a one off and never happens?
Do you deny that it is common to spray crops with glyphosate/Roundup to dry them to speed harvest?
And I'm well aware of the "safety" of glyphosate according to the makers/farmers/regulators but I would urge people to investigate on their own and see some of the concerns of the effects it has on cellular mitochondria.
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:51 am to SpartanSoul
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Do you deny that one of the primary drivers of GMO was to increase the use of herbicides to increase yield? Roundup Ready ring a bell?
It wasn’t to increase yield - it was to reduce cost - glyphosate is cheap
Also you should look into what they were spraying before and see if you think glyphosate is so bad
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Do you deny think it was a one off and never happens?
So he needed the glyphosate and was spraying a preventative insecticide? Do you realize he was doing that to delay the inevitable pyrethroid application. You think you can farm in south la without getting stinkbugs and loopers in your crop?
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Do you deny that it is common to spray crops with glyphosate/Roundup to dry them to speed harvest
It’s not common
It happens in cold climate on less than 25% of the wheat up there which would be less than 10% of total we
Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:57 am to Tiger971
“I’ll have a spicy chicken sandwich, only pickles.”
“You mean no mayo/spicy spread?”
“No, I just want the pickles.”
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:03 am to SpartanSoul
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increase patricide
Holy shite! I wish my dad had taught me how to garden, too, but it’s not worth that.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:12 am to Tiger971
Chick-fil-a chicken sandwiches taste weird to me, like chemicals
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:19 am to Midtiger farm
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It wasn’t to increase yield - it was to reduce cost - glyphosate is cheap
Also you should look into what they were spraying before and see if you think glyphosate is so bad
Well if you want to get down to it it is for both. The herbicide increases yield by reducing competition for nutrients/water etc. and the glyphosate was a cheaper option and allowed the selling of seeds every year since the seeds produced are sterile.
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So he needed the glyphosate and was spraying a preventative insecticide? Do you realize he was doing that to delay the inevitable pyrethroid application. You think you can farm in south la without getting stinkbugs and loopers in your crop?
Well I did say long story short. The "delivery guy" delivering the chemicals was against the spraying since the field had received some sort of spraying already and said it wasn't necessary. This is from the guy that stood to make money from selling the chemicals, and he said it was common so it stuck out to me. This was about "extra" spraying not about the general spraying that I'm pretty sure everyone recognizes the need for.
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It’s not common
It happens in cold climate on less than 25% of the wheat up there which would be less than 10%
I'd say if 10% is correct it would still qualify as common to me. YOMV
Glyphosate is so commonly used it is found in many foods on the shelf even if in "trace" amounts. It is found in higher levels and more often in GMO containing products. I choose to avoid exposure if possible. Maybe you and others don't see it the same and that is fine. I would just encourage anyone that cares about their health to do research to make the decision based on knowledge and not on blind faith for a farmer/corporation/gov regulator to be as concerned about their health as they are.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:20 am to Cosmo
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Also the majority of our health care costs are wasted in the last year of life on people that have 0 quality of life.
Is that different than the other countries listed?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:21 am to High C
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increase patricide
Holy shite! I wish my dad had taught me how to garden, too, but it’s not worth that.
I'll blame autocorrect. But I like it and will leave it.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:27 am to TexasTiger33
Seems like a good 20% of this boards problems could be solved by cooking at home.
No tipping involved, quality ingredients...
No tipping involved, quality ingredients...
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