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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/31/20 at 10:24 pm to hehateme2285
Posted on 3/31/20 at 10:24 pm to hehateme2285
Thanks — dodntnknkw about the Vietnam stop.
So when we can go where we want without closures, the system still could get overwhelmed, no?
I get you don’t want to strain the system but the chance is always there until a vaccine is available, right?
ETA is there possibility of relapse/reinfection with this?
So when we can go where we want without closures, the system still could get overwhelmed, no?
I get you don’t want to strain the system but the chance is always there until a vaccine is available, right?
ETA is there possibility of relapse/reinfection with this?
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 10:25 pm
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 10:27 pm to tiger91
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So when we can go where we want without closures, the system still could get overwhelmed, no?
I get you don’t want to strain the system but the chance is always there until a vaccine is available, right?
ETA is there possibility of relapse/reinfection with this?
System wouldn’t get overwhelmed because we would be much more prepared with testing, etc., and a potential treatment
So far, barring a mutation, there appears to be no risk of reinfection.
You also have to factor in that all these models are severely skewed by NY/NJ, and assume every city gets like they are
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 10:33 pm to hehateme2285
I just keep thinking about icu beds and vents — there are more but overwhelming is still my concern.
I’m not scared — I’m ready to be able to be a normal American and just do my thing.
I’m not scared — I’m ready to be able to be a normal American and just do my thing.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 10:34 pm to hehateme2285
I'm started to wonder how much longer before it starts to become difficult to find food on the shelves at stores, rioting starts to break out, and people need to start to fear for their safety in their homes.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 10:49 pm to TigerFanatic99
Not really worried about the food supply at all, actually. Especially with large food service customers (think schools, universities, athletic arenas, etc., etc.) basically coming offline all at once. There will be a glut for a long time, and we could probably go on like this indefinitely with the food supply. Milk, as an example, is in a very strange place right now - the stuff is flying off the shelves in retail but the overall market is in enormous glut because of the school shut downs.
More worried about unemployment, desperation, inflation, unrest, etc. Especially when it starts getting warm again in the northern half of the country.
More worried about unemployment, desperation, inflation, unrest, etc. Especially when it starts getting warm again in the northern half of the country.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:10 pm to AbuTheMonkey
A couple pages ago, someone asked about the type of pneumonia this bug causes, been looking at a lot of films, those pneumonia is causing a lots more consolidation, and the after affects are showing a lot more damage and reduced pulmonary function for the survivors.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:10 am to Boston911
Is there any data showing how many people recover via treatment outside of using the drug cocktail and other meds?
Like if 10 have to be hospitalized, how many recover thanks to treatment at the hospital that they couldn’t get at home? So not drugs or anything they can self administer...
I know it’s an odd question that has so many variables, but what I’m getting at is if you get to the point of being in ICU, how many can they truly save that wouldn’t have made it anyway? Goes to the report that like 80% of Italian deaths would have died within 6 months anyway.
Like if 10 have to be hospitalized, how many recover thanks to treatment at the hospital that they couldn’t get at home? So not drugs or anything they can self administer...
I know it’s an odd question that has so many variables, but what I’m getting at is if you get to the point of being in ICU, how many can they truly save that wouldn’t have made it anyway? Goes to the report that like 80% of Italian deaths would have died within 6 months anyway.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:21 am to TigerFanatic99
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I'm started to wonder how much longer before it starts to become difficult to find food on the shelves at stores, rioting starts to break out, and people need to start to fear for their safety in their homes.
Turn off the news.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:45 am to Boston911
quote:Can a doctor explain the difference between this and traditional viral pneumonia. I can’t find anything online anywhere that highlights any differences
couple pages ago, someone asked about the type of pneumonia this bug causes, been looking at a lot of films, those pneumonia is causing a lots more consolidation, and the after affects are showing a lot more damage and reduced pulmonary function for the survivors.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:00 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:literally nothing suggests this will happen.
I'm started to wonder how much longer before it starts to become difficult to find food on the shelves at stores, rioting starts to break out, and people need to start to fear for their safety in their homes.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:02 am to lsupride87
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Can a doctor explain the difference between this and traditional viral pneumonia. I can’t find anything online anywhere that highlights any differences
Not a doctor but seems to me that COVID routinely causes much more severe bouts of pneumonia than is typical with other respiratory infections. Severe pneumonia leads to ARDS which is usually one of the complicating factors that can lead to death. Fluid builds in your lungs and you can't breathe and diminishes oxygen flow to other organs. The heart and lungs are very connected so those with weak hearts are more likely to die once reaching this stage.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:05 am to Fats
quote:I don’t disagree with this, but this isn’t saying pneumonia with covid is any different than pneumonia developed from other viruses
Not a doctor but seems to me that COVID routinely causes much more severe bouts of pneumonia than is typical with other respiratory infections. Severe pneumonia leads to ARDS which is usually one of the complicating factors that can lead to death. Fluid builds in your lungs and you can't breathe and diminishes oxygen flow to other organs. The heart and lungs are very connected so those with weak hearts are more likely to die once reaching this stage.
It just seems like covid is more likely to develop into pneumonia
So, if you died from pneumonia from covid, it seems you would have also died if you contracted pneumonia from any other virus as well correct?
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:08 am to lsupride87
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So, if you died from pneumonia from covid, it seems you would have also died if you contracted pneumonia from any other virus as well correct?
I don't know if this is necessarily true. This coronavirus seems to cause multiweek long illnesses, it may be harder for your body to clear a covid pneumonia than another viral pneumonia. Hard to tell right now
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:09 am to lsupride87
Pretty sure pneumonia can also have bacterial origins and a few other causes besides a virus.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:12 am to lsupride87
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So, if you died from pneumonia from covid, it seems you would have also died if you contracted pneumonia from any other virus as well correct?
I'm not sure if anyone knows the answer to that yet but logically that makes sense. Regardless, if this respiratory illness is 30% likely to make it down into your lungs and cause pneumonia versus 3% for other respiratory infections and is twice as infectious, that's a big problem.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:12 am to Boston911
One of my buddies sent me some images that pretty much mirror these.
No thank you. I will gladly pass on this.
No thank you. I will gladly pass on this.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:16 am to Tiguar
quote:Thanks
don't know if this is necessarily true. This coronavirus seems to cause multiweek long illnesses, it may be harder for your body to clear a covid pneumonia than another viral pneumonia. Hard to tell right now
Will be interesting to see if covid, for whatever reason, causes a “different strain” of pneumonia
Everything I have read so far doesn’t have it differentiated from the old viral pneumonia we have always known. Just for whatever reason this virus leads to that viral pneumonia more often
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:26 am to Boston911
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and the after affects are showing a lot more damage and reduced pulmonary function for the survivors.
worth pointing out that that this is only happening to a very small group of Covid 19 survivors. The vast majority of people with Covid 19 do not experience this.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:33 am to Stevo
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The vast majority of people with Covid 19 do not experience this.
Shhh.
Don't buck the narrative. It's self-sustaining now.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:52 am to GOP_Tiger
Frustrating thought for the morning... Pick any number you want for total deaths. Say 40000 (Italy is at 12400 right now). And now figure out how we get there. 1000/day takes 40 days of that kind of news. Or we bump up and start getting days of 5-6-7k. Awful either way.
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