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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:01 am to tigerfoot
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:01 am to tigerfoot
quote:And here is where the goal posts have moved. When it was h1n1, none of this happened. No one freaked out like this. There was some panic, yes, but travel wasnt restricted, whole families weren’t quarantined, and schools and sporting events continued on as usual.
But it is also needs to be dealt with to minimize suffering and loss of life unnecessarily.
All of that was considered reasonable and ICUs held up fine. But if you wanted to save every life possible, we should have shut everything down. Is that necessary? Who decides what is necessary? A public twitter mob fired up by media whose sole purpose has become views and clicks? How much of a regular persons every day life is worth affecting if it saves 10,000 of the elderly over 2 years? Or what’s that threshold? 100 lives saved? 1000? How much should be affected? Work from home? Miss my sons soccer game? Cancel my anniversary trip? Where is that line and what is reasonable/necessary?
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:01 am to SloaneRanger
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It is going to be fun to revisit this thread at the end of June. I have no idea how this will play out. Will the US have 500k deaths, or will the figure be less than 500?
Goddammit, I hate cliffhangers. They're the lowest form of keeping viewers. When the story and writing isn't good enough to get people to come back, just not finishing the whole storyline to make them come back is cheap and smacks of desperation.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:01 am to TigerChief10
LINK
- 463 deaths
- 9,172 total cases
- 733 in ICU
- 660 ICU beds (mix of public/private)
- Not enough negative pressure rooms
- If you don't have a fever for 3 days you're moved out of ICU
- 463 deaths
- 9,172 total cases
- 733 in ICU
- 660 ICU beds (mix of public/private)
- Not enough negative pressure rooms
- If you don't have a fever for 3 days you're moved out of ICU
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:04 am to wdhalgren
The cruise industry should have been shut down over a month ago. It seems like half the cases in large swaths of the country are idiots who went on a Nile cruise in Egypt. What I am waiting to see is whether they in turn gave it to a bunch of others or whether it will be mostly limited to the travelers. Outside of WA and maybe a couple other areas I can't tell just how much community spread we are getting here. We are a huge country.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:04 am to ell_13
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You think that’s the same as cutting off travel to major countries and forcing whole families to self quarantine and cancelling major events and schools?
Since we don't have a vaccination and it is novel - meaning that 99.9% of the population's immune systems have not encountered it which, in turn, means they have not produced antibodies, I don't consider these measures to be unreasonable in order to prevent aggressive spread that will overwhelm the medical system.
You're trying to compare it to the flu now as opposed to the flu when it was novel.
For the record, I don't think it's the plague or that millions will die in the streets. I do recognize that in its current form, it is more dangerous than the flu - especially for at risk groups - and that because of the factors above it as the potenial to lead to rapid infecion rates which has the potential to overhwlem the medical system in certain areas which is really, really bad.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:06 am to ell_13
quote:"For the good of the communnity" blah blah blah
And here is where the goal posts have moved. When it was h1n1, none of this happened. No one freaked out like this. There was some panic, yes, but travel wasnt restricted, whole families weren’t quarantined, and schools and sporting events continued on as usual.
All of that was considered reasonable and ICUs held up fine. But if you wanted to save every life possible, we should have shut everything down. Is that necessary? Who decides what is necessary? A public twitter mob fired up by media whose sole purpose has become views and clicks? How much of a regular persons every day life is worth affecting if it saves 10,000 of the elderly over 2 years? Or what’s that threshold? 100 lives saved? 1000? How much should be affected? Work from home? Miss my sons soccer game? Cancel my anniversary trip? Where is that line and what is reasonable/necessary?
They will dodge your question because they dont have an answer
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:06 am to ell_13
quote:all amazingly minor issues to be worked up about.
Work from home? Miss my sons soccer game? Cancel my anniversary trip? Where is that line and what is reasonable/necessary?
quote:Yes, you missing a soccer game is worth this.
How much of a regular persons every day life is worth affecting if it saves 10,000 of the elderly over 2 years?
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:08 am to Antonio Moss
They’re reasonable today apparently but they weren’t needed any other time Something like this happened? Why? Because it’s more deadly for the 80+ crowd?
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:08 am to tigerfoot
quote:Its very minor for us if they increase our tax rate 1%
all amazingly minor issues to be worked up about.
That alone would likely drive in millions and millions of dollars to help people in need in this country
you in? its very minor
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:10 am to SaintsandTigers
I say this as someone who dislikes her
Sharon Weston Broome is handling this outbreak phenomenally
Baton Rouge seems like it is avoiding the virus
Sharon Weston Broome is handling this outbreak phenomenally
Baton Rouge seems like it is avoiding the virus
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:11 am to SaintsandTigers
quote:Incredibly minor disruptions and overly dramatic reaction to discussion are not questions, they are juvenile remarks and hypotheticals.
They will dodge your question because they dont have an answer
Simply put, we don't know what is what right now. An little reasonable action is not crazy. I. don't know why some see it as so threatening.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:12 am to ell_13
quote:
Why aren’t we this aggressive for the flu?
Because this is at least five times as deadly as the flu, and it spreads at least as fast.
And even if it were the same as the flu, our health system doesn't have the capacity to add the cases from just "another flu" without disruption to the quality of care that we expect as a society.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:12 am to tigerfoot
quote:a 1-3% tax hike is incredibly minor as well
Incredibly minor disruptions
Once again, you in?
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:13 am to Antonio Moss
Some high profile person will get very sick or die of this and it's going to be a wakeup call to a lot of people.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:13 am to tigerfoot
I mean. I can add more. If my sister gets this and I saw her a week ago, I have to lock myself inside for 14 days? My whole family? I’ve got 3 trips this year. California, Boston and Florida. Cancel them all right? My sons school should be closed I suppose. Who watches him? A daycare? Forcing people to stay away from other people to what extent. Why don’t we just shut down everything and everyone stay home for a month right? I’m trying to figure out what the threshold is for y’all.
Forcing people to stay away from other people to what extent. Why don’t we just shut down everything and everyone stay home for a month right? I’m trying to figure out what the threshold is for y’all. 
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:14 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Because this is at least five times as deadly as the flu, and it spreads at least as fast.
Lol
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:14 am to GOP_Tiger
The best apart this thread is dumbass plumbers and mechanics from Louisiana think they know more than some of the most educated doctors in the world.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:14 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Only for one demographic.
Because this is at least five times as deadly as the flu
quote:Says who? The health care system handled h1n1 just fine. We have 3 times the capacity as italy.
our health system doesn't have the capacity to add the cases from just "another flu" without disruption to the quality of care that we expect as a society.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:15 am to Jim Rockford
quote:Yeh that’s really stopped people from drinking and doing drugs
Some high profile person will get very sick or die of this and it's going to be a wakeup call to a lot of people.
People still actively do things they know can/will kill them
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:15 am to SaintsandTigers
quote:So 2k a year over a lifetime is likened to a week working from home or cancelling a youth soccer game.
Its very minor for us if they increase our tax rate 1%
That alone would likely drive in millions and millions of dollars to help people in need in this country
you in? its very minor
yes, that seems legitimate.
I will help you out. It would be like sending the govt 5 extra bucks one time. And yes, I would be ok with that.
At least make your straw men somewhat equivocal.
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