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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/21/20 at 9:33 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 2/21/20 at 9:33 pm to Kentucker
That’s interesting. Because every year the flu starts in the East but they never quarantine cities full of millions of people, build massive hospitals in 7 days, and order industrial size incinerators. How do you explain that even if you question the numbers.
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Posted on 2/21/20 at 9:34 pm to Kentucker
quote:
Meanwhile in the US, flu statistics:
29 million cases
280,000 hospitalizations
16,000 deaths including 105 children
Meanwhile other flu stats:
0 flights cancelled
0 cities quarantined
0 bats eaten
Posted on 2/21/20 at 9:41 pm to rds dc
Either CBS is confused or they let the cat out of the bag
quote:
COSTA MESA (CBSLA) – Costa Mesa is trying to block as many as 70 confirmed coronavirus patients from being transferred to the city.
Federal court papers filed Friday state that the federal government plans to transfer the patients from Travis Air Force Base near Sacramento to the former Fairview Developmental Center on Sunday. Thursday night officials began hearing of the plan by the Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC to move between 30 and 7o patients to the state-owned land.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 9:42 pm to PeteRose
JAMA case report
20 year old with asymptomatic spread after 19 day incubation period infected 5 people. No symptoms at all. Normal chest CT.
20 year old with asymptomatic spread after 19 day incubation period infected 5 people. No symptoms at all. Normal chest CT.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 9:45 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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That’s interesting. Because every year the flu starts in the East but they never quarantine cities full of millions of people, build massive hospitals in 7 days, and order industrial size incinerators. How do you explain that even if you question the numbers.
Again, we don’t know exactly what’s happening in China, a closed society. It could be an over-reaction or even an embarrassment for the government. Southeast Asia, especially China, is where many deadly viral outbreaks have originated in the past.
The communist government wants to tamp down the virus quickly as a demonstration of the effectiveness of their form of rule. That isn’t working, of course, so there is a real threat to their authoritarian government. Also, that there is yet another potentially lethal virus originating in China has to be a great embarrassment to them.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 10:38 pm to CivilTiger83
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You said that people with just a fever were possibly/likely included in the stated critical China coronavirus cases, and people with medical knowledge said that was incorrect. You then spent 2 pages arguing that fact and digging that hole even deeper. Even now you continue to dig...
fricking link?
Y'all are fricking hilarious.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 10:41 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
you had 29 mil coronavirus cases you would be looking at 300-600k dead (1-2% mortality)
So I’m not really sure what the point of your post is
If you had 29 million cases of coronavirus you'd have multiple posters sucking their own dick in excitement, so...
This post was edited on 2/21/20 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 2/21/20 at 10:42 pm to TigerTatorTots
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So COVID19 is a shitload more deadly is what you are saying
Exciting if you're clueless, isn't it?
This post was edited on 2/21/20 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 2/21/20 at 10:45 pm to slackster
It’s 2020 and we aren’t supposed to kink shame anymore. Pandemics are my fetish
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:04 pm to slackster
You and lsut have a weird obsession with thinking we want people to die. Does it make you feel better about yourself to see us as the bad guys?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 1:14 am to Jim Rockford
quote:How's the UAE looking?
If it's rampant in Iran, Pak amd probably Afg are ate up with it, with Turkey and the rest of the ME soon to follow. My BIL is working in Irbil right now
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:56 am to WaWaWeeWa
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You and lsut have a weird obsession with thinking we want people to die. Does it make you feel better about yourself to see us as the bad guys?
Imagine you being on the Titanic. Titanic hits iceberg.
You: Damn ship is going to go down, a lot of people are going to die.
Them: What an arse hole, you enjoying people dying?
If a person anticipates something bad is going to happen, it doesn’t mean they want it to happen.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:04 am to PeteRose
Good analogy
Can't say anything bad or you are wish casting
Can't say anything bad or you are wish casting
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:51 am to WaWaWeeWa
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You and lsut have a weird obsession with thinking we want people to die. Does it make you feel better about yourself to see us as the bad guys?
You don't want people to die, you just want the numbers to be much higher so you can be right.
Many in this thread are the same way. They don't believe a lick of data that isn't doomsday-esque. Pretty miserable folks, in all honesty.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:56 am to Kentucker
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Meanwhile in the US, flu statistics: 29 million cases 280,000 hospitalizations 16,000 deaths including 105 children
There's a different method of counting here. Most of these flu cases were diagnosed clinically, i.e. based on signs and symptoms. Covid-19 cases are diagnosed only when the presence of the virus is confirmed by lab test.
From what I've seen recently, the US appears to mainly be testing for Covid-19 when there's a history of known or suspected exposure to the virus. Maybe they exist, but I haven't seen any guidelines instructing physicians when to test for Covid-19 virus based on clinical signs and symptoms without history of exposure.
There's still a very low number of Covid cases in the US and it would be very expensive to test everyone with fever and a cough for the virus, but nevertheless the different methods of diagnosis and counting makes flu vs Covid data incompatible for comparison.
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 9:06 am
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:10 am to wdhalgren
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Maybe they exist, but I haven't seen any guidelines instructing physicians when to test for Covid-19 virus based on clinical signs and symptoms without history of exposure.
Other than correlation of travel to Hubei, are there really any unique symptoms that don't apply to other flu viruses before you get to the pneumonia stage?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:16 am to WaWaWeeWa
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You and lsut have a weird obsession with thinking we want people to die.
Well you aren’t happy unless the disease is spreading and killing people
You’re hoping for worst case scenario so you can say “I told you so”. Whereas a few people in this thread are remaining grounded.
You are the epitome of the Don Henley song “dirty laundry”
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:21 am to wdhalgren
Did we (among the 'developed' nations) join others with folks in China and on the ship in Japan decide that the only way to understand this disease was to obtain first hand knowledge by bringing it here?
So much frustration by trying to figure out what the number of cases in China mean, how they tied which tests and how often to symptoms, how they declared a confirmed infection, what info that govt is gathering, massaging and then releasing , much less how they declare someone is cured.
There are maybe two pre-juried scientific pubs following specific patients, and two more about numbers in a specific hospital. There are a lot of references that come up by Google Scholar, but few are tied to people and symptoms.
By bringing patients here, the patients presumably get better care. And that care is carefully recorded. Hopefully cross contamination due to a shortage of hospital gloves, masks, etc. is avoided. I'd guess the asymptomatic positives are being looked at very carefully as are the tests for the virus as well. I'd expect that reproducibility is being addressed. (And why some CDC test kits were said to be faulty.)
On an ELISA test for a plant disease, years ago, the statement was, "It will test positive when the disease is there, but a negative test may just mean that the disease antibody titer wasn't high enough."
Another comment "You can't prove a negative" also comes to mind.
So much frustration by trying to figure out what the number of cases in China mean, how they tied which tests and how often to symptoms, how they declared a confirmed infection, what info that govt is gathering, massaging and then releasing , much less how they declare someone is cured.
There are maybe two pre-juried scientific pubs following specific patients, and two more about numbers in a specific hospital. There are a lot of references that come up by Google Scholar, but few are tied to people and symptoms.
By bringing patients here, the patients presumably get better care. And that care is carefully recorded. Hopefully cross contamination due to a shortage of hospital gloves, masks, etc. is avoided. I'd guess the asymptomatic positives are being looked at very carefully as are the tests for the virus as well. I'd expect that reproducibility is being addressed. (And why some CDC test kits were said to be faulty.)
On an ELISA test for a plant disease, years ago, the statement was, "It will test positive when the disease is there, but a negative test may just mean that the disease antibody titer wasn't high enough."
Another comment "You can't prove a negative" also comes to mind.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:23 am to rds dc
Some changes overnight:
- SK number of confirmed cases up to 433
- Italy adds 34 more cases and another death
- Iran adds 10 more cases and 5 more deaths
- SK number of confirmed cases up to 433
- Italy adds 34 more cases and another death
- Iran adds 10 more cases and 5 more deaths
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