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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:50 am to
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:50 am to
Do we have any idea if the abnormally high # of cases yesterday was just clinically diagnosed cases for one day, or were they lumping in previous clinically diagnosed cases to make up for lost time?
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5344 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:03 pm to
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lumping in previous clinically diagnosed cases to make up for lost time?


Yesterday's number was apparently a "catch up" number, to reflect the current situation. Why they decided to this now is another matter, because I don't believe transparency was necessarily the only reason, especially since the new numbers based on clinical criteria (instead of laboratory confirmation) aren't necessarily accurate either.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:06 pm to
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This isn’t some disease that requires strict contact precautions, rare medication or a technical surgical procedure where we would have an advantage.


I think two factors need to be accounted for also. The air pollution in China as a background state and the fact that a huge proportion of the Chinese population smokes may easily make their population at whole much more at risk than the US or other developed nations. These factors may not be insignificant with a pneumonia.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:16 pm to
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I think two factors need to be accounted for also. The air pollution in China as a background state and the fact that a huge proportion of the Chinese population smokes may easily make their population at whole much more at risk than the US or other developed nations. These factors may not be insignificant with a pneumonia.


It’s not a bad hypothesis but that’s all it is at this point. Unless you have seen something I haven’t.

Wuhan has a PM2.5 of 88
Los Angeles has a PM2.5 of 68

Both are bad. Is that difference enough to cause significantly more deaths? I don’t think anyone knows at this point
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14235 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:24 pm to
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facts are still that there is no indication this is any more deadly than the yearly flu


Uhh, what? I guess china locks down their cities every flu season?

Wether you think this is going to blow over or if you think its the apocalypse... saying there are NO indications this is serious is just not supportable. There are pretty extreme actions being taken to contain the virus. Arguments can be made wether its an over reaction or not.

Personally dont think its going to be a big deal, outside of China, but certainly reason enough to monitor and have some concern. By end of the month we should have a better idea if actions were taken early enough to keep this thing primarily in China or not.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
14016 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:30 pm to
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A 15th patient has been diagnosed with novel coronavirus in the United States, health officials reported Thursday.

The patient was among the Americans repatriated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the new coronavirus outbreak, and had been quarantined at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas.


Not sure if it was posted yet. I saw 13 before, is this a typo? LINK

Nope doesnt look like a typo....was that the same flight as the guy from here Honkus?

quote:

SAN DIEGO (AP) — A second case of novel coronavirus has been confirmed in the U.S. among evacuees from China, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Wednesday.

The person was aboard a flight from the city of Wuhan that arrived at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in Southern California last week, the CDC said.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 12:37 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61469 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:45 pm to
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total. Red line is US portion of ~500 total.
and it appears by that graph that the US had significantly more cases on the 21st.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21556 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:50 pm to
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Coronavirus Could Infect Two-Thirds of Globe, Research Shows




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As the number of coronavirus cases jumps dramatically in China, a top infectious-disease scientist warns that things could get far worse: Two-thirds of the world’s population could catch it.

So says Ira Longini, an adviser to the World Health Organization who tracked studies of the virus’s transmissibility in China. His estimate implies that there could eventually be billions more infections than the current official tally of about 60,000.




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Quarantines may slow the spread, but the virus had the opportunity to roam in China and beyond before they went into effect, Longini said. 


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“Unless the transmissibility changes, surveillance and containment can only work so well,” Longini, co-director of the Center for Statistics and Quantitative Infectious Diseases at the University of Florida, said in an interview at WHO headquarters in Geneva. “Isolating cases and quarantining contacts is not going to stop this virus.”


Counter point

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More data need to be gathered to gain a better idea of how far the virus is likely to range, said David Heymann, an infectious disease expert at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine who oversaw the WHO’s response to SARS in 2003. “We’re seeing countries outside of China that have been able to contain the outbreak pretty well.”


LINK
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:51 pm to
No, Honkus was on a flight back that had him east of LA. His quarantine is already up.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46371 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:56 pm to
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Yesterday's number was apparently a "catch up" number, to reflect the current situation. Why they decided to this now is another matter, because I don't believe transparency was necessarily the only reason, especially since the new numbers based on clinical criteria (instead of laboratory confirmation) aren't necessarily accurate either.


Perhaps they felt they are making headways on containment and new cases are slowing so they decided to drop a big number so they could soon show a decrease.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
14016 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:10 pm to
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His quarantine is already up.


Thats what I thought but wasnt sure...
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13143 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:23 pm to
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I’ve got a friend there who is still out jogging the city without a mask.


Heh, now bubble wrap may be a problem. I'm pretty sure this is satire but it's not impossible as far as I know.

Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6191 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:27 pm to
Won't the virus somewhat stop once the weather gets hot like the flu?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77342 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:27 pm to
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Heh, now bubble wrap may be a problem. I'm pretty sure this is satire but it's not impossible as far as I know.

People are out there believing that insanity though.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11825 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:36 pm to
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Perhaps they felt they are making headways on containment and new cases are slowing so they decided to drop a big number so they could soon show a decrease.


More like, sooner or later people are gonna figure it out. Wrap it up in statistical confusion and make people think it is just a change in methodology. Let people argue on the internet about it till it is completely muddied and no one remembers if it is up or down.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:39 pm to
There's a very good chance it will not spread as much in warmer months. It will likely live not nearly as long on surfaces. Also, people spend more time outside in warmer months. They're less likely to hang indoors in tight spaces. People will generally be more active which can help boost immune systems.

A warmer/earlier spring could be nice in slowing the spread/buying time for vaccine work.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 2:00 pm
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:46 pm to
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Top officials in Beijing on Thursday expanded their mass roundup of sick or possibly infected people beyond Wuhan, the city at the center of the coronavirus outbreak, to include other cities in Hubei Province that have been hit hard by the crisis, according to the state-run CCTV broadcaster. The orders to begin mass quarantines in Wuhan came down from the government last week to “round up everyone who should be rounded up,” part of a “wartime” campaign to contain the fast-spreading coronavirus outbreak. Confirmed patients with mild symptoms were put in large quarantine spaces. Suspected cases went to converted hotels and schools to be isolated. Close contacts of confirmed cases and patients with a fever who could have been infected were also put in separate facilities. But the state-led effort has been plagued by experiences of chaos and disorganization, deepening anxiety and frustration in a city already on edge from a prolonged lockdown.

New York Times link
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46371 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 2:06 pm to
Does anyone know if anyone in America is no longer sick?
And if they are no longer sick, will the number of cases in America decrease.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 2:14 pm to
We've heard of 2 or 3 cases where the patients have recovered. I can't imagine the cases will diminish here. At least not yet.

At minimum, with so much world travel, you'd expect asymptomatic people will probably help spread the virus. Since they aren't symptomatic & coughing everywhere, they will not drive up the numbers in huge amounts. Hopefully this is all we see and we're able to keep the numbers relatively low with proper detection/tracing/quarantining of people likely to have it.

There is always the chance that it could take off if we're not careful. But I think we should be encouraged by the fact we've gone nearly 3 weeks since a lot of the Lunar New Year travel without many cases. We also have had international students return to campus without a ton of cases. That gives me hope.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted by Shane4689
Wrong Way on a No Way Road
Member since Dec 2010
3150 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 2:24 pm to
So, now that the shock on 15,000 new cases and expedited new deaths out of the way, is anyone thinking the next set of numbers will not go crazy high?

I am expecting crazy high number accompanying some very worrisome news of how the Chinese miscalculated/mishandled this whole thing.

The timing of all this is getting crzy.
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