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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:25 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:25 am to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s sad for me to witness this politicization of science.
This has bothered me so much in all of this crap, and it saddens me to see other people I think highly of as scientists buy into the nonsense and not be offended by the weaponization of science.
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Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:28 am to Sasquatch Smash
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1957-58 Asian Flu and 1968-1969 Hong Kong Flu.
So...maybe we should pump the brakes on "once in a century."
Those were last century. Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:30 am to lsupride87
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This isn’t the next plague, not even close. It isn’t even a pimple on the arse of Spanish flu
Yes, people really need to stop trying to drum up panic by comparing this to Spanish Flu.
Spanish flu killed, what?, 20-50 million world wide over it's 2-3 year run. The world's population was 1.8 billion at the time. So, 20 million and 50 million dead were 1.1% and 2.7% of the population, respectively.
For SARS-CoV-2 to reach those heights, ~87 to 210 million people would have to die from it with today's population of 7.8 billion.
(Math based off of 0.027 x 7.8 billion, nothing fancy as far as conversions are concerned so it may be wrong.)
Edit: Looking at it more, some estimates have it at 50 - 100 million, so ~3 - 6% of the global population.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 7:40 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:32 am to Bullfrog
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Those were last century.
No shite?
But they were within the last 100 years (a century) and within the lifetimes of many people still around that lived through it.
And comparing something to the unknown for the next 80 years is fricking dumb. You have to look back when discussing "once in a century."
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 7:33 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:36 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:You missed the most important part to me
Yes, people really need to stop trying to drum up panic by comparing this to Spanish Flu.
Spanish flu killed, what?, 20-50 million world wide over it's 2-3 year run. The world's population was 1.8 billion at the time. So, 50 million dead was 2.7% of the population.
For SARS-CoV-2 to reach those heights, 210 million people would have to die from it with today's population of 7.8 billion.
(Math based off of 0.027 x 7.8 billion, nothing fancy as far as conversions are concerned so it may be wrong.)
Spanish flu average age of death-28
Covid 19 average age of death-80
These two pandemics are nothing alike
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls
ETA:
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Surprisingly, we also frequently detected SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with SARS/COVID-19 patients
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quote:That's 50% of unexposed people. That jives well with the numbers coming out of Sweden that say that once 15-20% of the population is infected, a "burnout" or "saturation" occurs.
Remarkably, we detected SARS-CoV-2-specific IFN- responses in 19 out of 37 SARS-CoV-1/2 unexposed individuals (Fig. 4a, b)
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:44 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Now this is exciting stuff. Thanks for sharing
Posted on 7/15/20 at 12:00 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Check out this antibody study from a Austrian ski resort that was hit hard with an early outbreak. They have one of the highest antibody counts reported. The reason why is the key... they also tested for IgA antibodies in the blood. Not just IgM or IgG. They had a 42% positive on antibodies.
The results would probably be even higher if you tested everyone for T cells. You could make the argument they are at herd immunity.
2 people died in the town. Both over 80 with preconditions.
LINK
You will need to use google translate. It’s not in English.
Evidence is mounting that even our antibody studies are undercounting the real number of infections.
The results would probably be even higher if you tested everyone for T cells. You could make the argument they are at herd immunity.
2 people died in the town. Both over 80 with preconditions.
LINK
You will need to use google translate. It’s not in English.
Evidence is mounting that even our antibody studies are undercounting the real number of infections.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 7/15/20 at 12:02 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
BTW I read the long document you posted and that pretty much sums up how I feel at this point as well.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 12:29 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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That's 50% of unexposed people. That jives well with the numbers coming out of Sweden that say that once 15-20% of the population is infected, a "burnout" or "saturation" occurs.
That's interesting. In the US, NYC will be the place to watch as more and more reopening continues since I think that 20% of the city was infected in March could be a conservative estimate.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 3:07 pm to wm72
12,000 deaths per day from hunger by the end of the year predicted.
I wonder if these prediction will be used to drum up support or panic for anything...
Was this NEJM article(?) posted here back in May? Looking at diagnostic timelines for various testing methods.
I wonder if these prediction will be used to drum up support or panic for anything...
Was this NEJM article(?) posted here back in May? Looking at diagnostic timelines for various testing methods.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 3:48 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Has anyone seen any info on the average length of stay for admitted patients? ICU patients? Seem like the turnover is getting shorter and shorter (a very good thing).
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:24 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
As if the beatdown of lockdown theory hasn't been thorough enough:
57 sailors in Argentina get coronavirus after weeks at sea, despite quarantine
57 sailors in Argentina get coronavirus after weeks at sea, despite quarantine
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Argentina is trying to solve a medical mystery after 57 sailors were infected with the coronavirus after 35 days at sea, despite the entire crew testing negative before leaving port.
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They had all undergone 14 days of mandatory quarantine and tested negative before the ship departed
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:30 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Obvious answer is someone sneaked out or in for a quickie. I doubt they had armed guards at the door.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:56 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Someone broke quarantine. Likely several did.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:35 am to lsupride87
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This isn’t the next plague, not even close. It isn’t even a pimple on the arse of Spanish flu
I'll give it that it's a least a pimple in the arse of Spanish Flu. It's kinda annoying and have to sit a little funny for a while, but otherwise it's nothing we shouldn't be able to handle without complaining too much.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:11 am to BRIllini07
quote:Not even close to being a pimple on its arse
I'll give it that it's a least a pimple in the arse of Spanish Flu
150k dead compared to millions in the USA
Average age of death of those at 80 compared to 28
It’s comparing a declawed house cat to an alien tiger with nuclear warheads attached to it and a chainsaw for a penis
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:17 am to lsupride87
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chainsaw for a penis
The females of this particular species....yeah, you don't want to mess with them.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:22 am to BRIllini07
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chainsaw for a penis
The females of this particular species....yeah, you don't want to mess with them.
Cats have induced ovulation. The males have spines on their penises, which induced the egg to drop.
There's a reason why when you see lions or tigers breeding on a nature show the girl looks so pissed off and the male is holding her down, biting her neck...and why he bails out so quickly when he pulls out...
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