re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

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How can these fact lead me to any conclusion other than this virus ain’t all that?

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Media screams it’s bad 3 weeks ago..
Media says it’s starting to normalize.

Good evening sheep.

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Flu deaths are not test verified cases either.

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equating it to the flu is disingenuous at best.

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Equating it to the flu? Nice logical fallacy. I've said probably dozens of times in this thread that Covid-19 is different from seasonal influenza and the Covid-19 numbers aren't comparable to seasonal flu estimates. Starting before we had much information, back on Jan 24th (LINK and about a couple dozen times since, with plenty of documentation for why that's the case, if you're interested.

I've also pointed several times that the CDC seasonal flu numbers being tossed about are based on models published after the fact. But, those models are at least based on decades of observation of seasonal influenza. And still the CDC actually does break down and separately report test verified case numbers (not including presumptive cases) of influenza every season. They do it weekly (several of which I've also linked in this thread).

But oddly enough, starting a week or two ago, the CDC and some states and sites like worldometers have decided they'd rather include presumptive and probable cases with the daily Covid-19 reported death and case numbers. We have two months of Covid-19 study, not decades of information like influenza, and suddenly they've decided to include thousands, probably tens of thousands by now of presumptive/probable cases and deaths in the daily reports, which makes their term (and supposed goal) "flatten the curve" meaningless. It also means that these daily reported numbers have now become estimates based on limited study and diagnosis of this novel virus. Throw in some obvious political and financial incentives and what we have is bad data until proven otherwise IMO.

If the CDC and state bean counters would break out laboratory confirmed Covid-19 numbers separately as the results are known, like they were doing in Febuary and March, and like they do every year with seasonal influenza, then it would be more meaningful information. But they changed Covid counting/reporting methods in midstream (like China did back in January) and that's what is disingenuous.

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I used the population of the whole state not just the city. You think upstate has 25-35% infected also?

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South of the Catskills 25-35% north of the Catskills 5-15% with cities being higher than rural areas. Total for the state of Ny around 25%.

Like Louisiana, New Orleans area 25-35% and rest of state 5-15%. Br and Shreveport 15%.

The Stanford University group released their study of LA county and they were at 4%. The samples were collected 2 weeks ago and it takes 3-4 weeks to create antibodies, so these people were infected at the beginning of March.

Singapore just locked down until June 1.... Their cases are rising rapidly.

So a country who basically squashed this 2 months ago is still dealing with it. Goes to show you that no matter what we do, it’s going to happen. Open the country and let things play out as they naturally do.

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Singapore just locked down until June 1.... Their cases are rising rapidly.

So a country who basically squashed this 2 months ago is still dealing with it. Goes to show you that no matter what we do, it’s going to happen. Open the country and let things play out as they naturally do.

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This is why the experts truly dont deserve that much respect. They are pretending there is a way to escape a virus. There isnt. If it is rising in singapore, it will be worse here.

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This is why the experts truly dont deserve that much respect

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Agree... you can’t stop this, only hope to contain it. If SG is 2 months into a Stalin like lockdown and now extending another month, you’ll never get close here.

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If SG is 2 months into a Stalin like lockdown

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They weren't. Their partial lockdown started 2 weeks ago.

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f it is rising in singapore, it will be worse here.

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Yes, if Singapore can't succeed at contact tracing and early detection, we don't have a chance. I was supposed to go there in mid-March and we called it off at the last minute for fear of not being able to get back into the US rather than fear of catching it over there. They had already taken lots of measures at that time and we were still sitting on our thumbs.

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I called it a lockdown... they were locked down mid february barring all travel in and out, forcing quarantines, tracing contacts and forcing quarantines, arresting those who didn’t abide

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They didn't close schools, non-essential businesses and restaurants until April 8th.

The lockdowns you're referring to are those imposed on the ones who have been confirmed infected. The healthy had few restrictions on their day to day lives until recently.

Singapore fricked up by not testing their migrant workforce who live in 20-to-a-room dorms. Foreigners make up nearly a 3rd of their workforce. The vast majority of their "new" cases sprung up after they decided to test this population. They were largely unchecked until just recently.