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Conspiracy Theory: Did FDR know Pearl Harbor was going to happen?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:49 pm
So just finished up Dan Carlin’s most recent Hardcore History, and I have to say I’m pondering this a bit more. There are only two conspiracy theories (at least modern ones) that I believe happen:
1) JFK was killed by the mob.
2) The US government shot down United 93.
I find every other modern conspiracy theories to be ridiculous. I only start to ponder them if I can rationally believe that only 20 people could know about it, because beyond that I think it slips out. Both of those theories I believe in I don’t see why more than 20 people would have to know. If you get into 9/11 was an inside job, then I think well over a thousand people would have to know about it and it could be discovered by an auditor.
Which brings me to Pearl Harbor. FDR clearly wanted to enter the war early on, and the British and Americans had fantastic code crackers. What if some guy cracked the code, went to his superior that went straight to FDR? I don’t see why more than 20 people would have to know about this. For perspective, only 1,000 people knew about the ins and outs of the Manhattan Project, and Harry Truman wasn’t one of them until FDR croaked. There would be a hell of a lot less oversight than that when it came to managing aircraft carriers. All FDR has to do is command they leave port and go elsewhere, to where even his generals wouldn’t know that Pearl Harbor was going to occur. It’s suspicious to me that all the valuable ships were out, and all the WWI retro ships were still in Pearl Harbor.
I’m not sure if I fully believe it, but I find it strangely plausible that FDR knew what was going to happen and let it to enter the war. What are your thoughts.
1) JFK was killed by the mob.
2) The US government shot down United 93.
I find every other modern conspiracy theories to be ridiculous. I only start to ponder them if I can rationally believe that only 20 people could know about it, because beyond that I think it slips out. Both of those theories I believe in I don’t see why more than 20 people would have to know. If you get into 9/11 was an inside job, then I think well over a thousand people would have to know about it and it could be discovered by an auditor.
Which brings me to Pearl Harbor. FDR clearly wanted to enter the war early on, and the British and Americans had fantastic code crackers. What if some guy cracked the code, went to his superior that went straight to FDR? I don’t see why more than 20 people would have to know about this. For perspective, only 1,000 people knew about the ins and outs of the Manhattan Project, and Harry Truman wasn’t one of them until FDR croaked. There would be a hell of a lot less oversight than that when it came to managing aircraft carriers. All FDR has to do is command they leave port and go elsewhere, to where even his generals wouldn’t know that Pearl Harbor was going to occur. It’s suspicious to me that all the valuable ships were out, and all the WWI retro ships were still in Pearl Harbor.
I’m not sure if I fully believe it, but I find it strangely plausible that FDR knew what was going to happen and let it to enter the war. What are your thoughts.
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:58 pm to OMLandshark
quote:not sure who pulled the trigger but he was most likely killed ultimately by European bankers. The mob may have been heavily involved in that money system
JFK was killed by the mob.
quote:I believe in many conspiracy theories, but this one is just absurd
The US government shot down United 93.
As far as FDR and Pearl Harbor, he might as well have been bc he should be blamed for the Great Depression but gets a pass bc of the communist/liberal he was.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:01 pm to arcalades
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I believe in many conspiracy theories
I’m high. Gimme some shite to read brotato chip
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:05 pm to OMLandshark
FDR didn't need to let Pearl Harbor happen to have a pretense for war, the Japanese hit a bunch of other Americana and British holdings in the Pacific. That's plenty enough to jump in. Also note that we only declared on Japan. It was only after Germany declared war on us that we declared war on them.
Since the Japanese were going to hit numerous US targets that day, if FDR knew it was coming, why keep the ships there at all?
Since the Japanese were going to hit numerous US targets that day, if FDR knew it was coming, why keep the ships there at all?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:05 pm to OMLandshark
Damn right he did. Drove Japan to action.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:07 pm to arcalades
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I believe in many conspiracy theories, but this one is just absurd
I’m hardcore against most 9/11 conspiracy theories, but this is one I can buy. Granted I’ll up the number of people that know about it to 60 since I forgot about the black box and all the trouble that alone would entail, but I also don’t see why anyone would talk about that. If I were the President and I thought that plane was heading for the White House or the Capitol, I’d absolutely shoot it down. It makes logical sense and isn’t unnecessarily cruel. Even in 8th grade, the phone call on the plane never made sense to me. I hope I’m wrong, but maybe I’m just crazy about this. The dots just seem to connect to me.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:08 pm to OMLandshark
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I’m not sure if I fully believe it, but I find it strangely plausible that FDR knew what was going to happen and let it to enter the war. What are your thoughts.
I love Carlin's Hardcore History, but I've never pondered that FDR might have known about Pearl Harbor in advance. I have heard though, that Churchill knew, and willingly withheld the information from the US to bring America into the war, which was to the UK's obvious benefit.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:08 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
1) JFK was killed by the mob.
I believe this to be true, but the mob were the hired guns. The Fed I think were pulling the strings
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:09 pm to Duke
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FDR didn't need to let Pearl Harbor happen to have a pretense for war, the Japanese hit a bunch of other Americana and British holdings in the Pacific. That's plenty enough to jump in.
He didn’t have public opinion behind him though. In 1940 80 plus percent of Americans were against it.
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Also note that we only declared on Japan. It was only after Germany declared war on us that we declared war on them.
Even if they didn’t, I think he still declares war on Germany a few days later. Churchill knew what this meant, and made no apologies by saying he was pretty thrilled at the Japanese stupidity since he thinks it saved Western Civilization.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:09 pm to OMLandshark
FDR didn't have public opinion in his favor to enter WWII. He wanted to, but it wouldn't have been the popular thing for him to do.
He withheld oil from Japan. Some people think that he did so in order to get Japan to react, but he didn't think they would react to the extreme that they did. But after they bombed Pearl Harbor, we didn't go after Japan first, we went to Germany.
That was more of a strategic move, the other two you mention. The world wasn't at war and they were events that unexpectedly happened which leaves the doors open for all kinds of theories.
I think it's obvious Cuba was behind JFK. The US tried to kill Castro (the bay of pigs). So if someone tried to have you killed and failed what would you do? In theory, kill them before they try to kill you again.
He withheld oil from Japan. Some people think that he did so in order to get Japan to react, but he didn't think they would react to the extreme that they did. But after they bombed Pearl Harbor, we didn't go after Japan first, we went to Germany.
That was more of a strategic move, the other two you mention. The world wasn't at war and they were events that unexpectedly happened which leaves the doors open for all kinds of theories.
I think it's obvious Cuba was behind JFK. The US tried to kill Castro (the bay of pigs). So if someone tried to have you killed and failed what would you do? In theory, kill them before they try to kill you again.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:10 pm to Duke
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if FDR knew it was coming, why keep the ships there at all?
The carriers weren't
Why keep the battleships??
Hell if I know
But the whole radar miscue kinda boggles the mind, especially knowing half the world is at war and knowing Japan is kicking arse in the Pacific months before
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:11 pm to Jones
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I believe this to be true, but the mob were the hired guns. The Fed I think were pulling the strings
I’ve pondered this, with “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” scenario, but I still think they did it on their own accord. I wouldn’t be shocked if you were right though.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:13 pm to OMLandshark
JFK killed by the Mob... Good possability.
As the Pearl Harbor... I can;t really decide. I will say 50/50 on it.
I think FDR knew that the Good Old USA was going to get involved in the war... I also think that he knew that Pearl Harbor could be a primary target.
But knowingly having information that an attack was coming and not doing anything about it.. I have to say NO.
Now having said that. I think that he could have made sure that better precautions were in place and more itelligence was done as well as more naval and air patrols out of Pearl could have been done...
One thing is for certain though... The Attack on Pearl united the country into total war and war production. Where as if Pearl Harbor had not have happened, you would of course had a bunch Non War supporters doing everything that they could to stop our involvement in WWII.
In WWII everything stopped and the USA went total war... Hollywood got involved. All Auto production stopped. Rationing hit.. We even had City Blackouts and curfews. If that were to happen today people would be screaming that their civil liberties were being violated.
As the Pearl Harbor... I can;t really decide. I will say 50/50 on it.
I think FDR knew that the Good Old USA was going to get involved in the war... I also think that he knew that Pearl Harbor could be a primary target.
But knowingly having information that an attack was coming and not doing anything about it.. I have to say NO.
Now having said that. I think that he could have made sure that better precautions were in place and more itelligence was done as well as more naval and air patrols out of Pearl could have been done...
One thing is for certain though... The Attack on Pearl united the country into total war and war production. Where as if Pearl Harbor had not have happened, you would of course had a bunch Non War supporters doing everything that they could to stop our involvement in WWII.
In WWII everything stopped and the USA went total war... Hollywood got involved. All Auto production stopped. Rationing hit.. We even had City Blackouts and curfews. If that were to happen today people would be screaming that their civil liberties were being violated.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:14 pm to OMLandshark
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In 1940 80 plus percent of Americans were against it.
Right, but that was before the coordinated attack on multiple US territories. That alone is plenty reason to fight back.
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Even if they didn’t, I think he still declares war on Germany a few days later.
There was no way we weren't going to get into Europe once in the war, I agree. Didn't stop Hitler from doing it first anyway.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:14 pm to OMLandshark
They definitely had their reasons. The Outfit got him elected and the Kennedys turned on them. New Orleans and Santo Trafficante wanted them out also.
Thats why I think the Fed used them. If they got caught, they had plenty of enough reasons to not think they were hired.
Thats why I think the Fed used them. If they got caught, they had plenty of enough reasons to not think they were hired.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:17 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Why keep the battleships??
Hell if I know
People with foresight knew their time was past anyway?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:18 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Why keep the battleships??
Hell if I know
So it's either ??????
Or
We didn't know it was coming.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:19 pm to gthog61
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People with foresight knew their time was past anyway?
Billy Mitchell anyone?
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:20 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:
Why keep the battleships??
Hell if I know
I think if all the battleships were out, the people would know what was up.
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