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re: Conspiracy Theory: Did FDR know Pearl Harbor was going to happen?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:22 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:22 pm to OMLandshark
we knew an attack was coming somewhere in the pacific, and honestly that didnt take too much foresight, i doubt we knew that it was coming at pearl harbor
pretty much every single piece of military planning and war games foreshadowed the initial Japanese attack at the Philippines
pretty much every single piece of military planning and war games foreshadowed the initial Japanese attack at the Philippines
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:25 pm to OMLandshark
quote:and when they attacked wake island and guam and the phillipines, people would know what was up
I think if all the battleships were out, the people would know what was up.
you sacrifice maybe one battle group, tops, when you want to lure someone into a trap when you know their plans. you dont put the backbone of the entire pacific fleet, plus all of the sailors and air planes, when you know its coming. if anything you lie in wait and prepare a counter attack against it. but you dont just let all of those ships and planes get destroyed.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:25 pm to OMLandshark
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I think if all the battleships were out, the people would know what was up
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:26 pm to OMLandshark
Actually, there would have not been much need for battleships to be floating around... Most of our navy work could have been done by Destroyers and other smaller ships. At most maybe a light Cruiser.
If I am not mistaken we only had 3 carriers at the beginning of the war. But our Pacific fleet was 9 battleships at the time. Not much need for them to be out. Cause they weren't needed...
The really funny thing to me is why did Japan not follow up with an invasion of the Hawaiian islands.
If I am not mistaken we only had 3 carriers at the beginning of the war. But our Pacific fleet was 9 battleships at the time. Not much need for them to be out. Cause they weren't needed...
The really funny thing to me is why did Japan not follow up with an invasion of the Hawaiian islands.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:26 pm to WWII Collector
logistical nightmare probably
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:26 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
we knew an attack was coming somewhere in the pacific, and honestly that didnt take too much foresight,
Just like 9/11.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:26 pm to OMLandshark
Talks broke down, Japanese embassy high tailed it out of town. Nothing said something good would come next 
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:27 pm to BRgetthenet
we absolutely knew that 9/11 was happening. our intelligence community totally and completely dropped the ball on that one
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:28 pm to OMLandshark
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I think if all the battleships were out, the people would know what was up
Agree
But I also want to know why they didn't trust their radar system... i get it was new technology, but they saw a group of planes and never really second guessed that it could potentially be enemy fighters
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:28 pm to OMLandshark
He undoubtedly knew of the possibility and probably a possible date which turned out to be true.. I haven’t delved much into why the aircraft carriers left port to subscribe to any conspiracy theory..
Tell
Me about United 93
Tell
Me about United 93
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:29 pm to Duke
Here is an interesting tidbit on JFK. I have been around several people that played in the old Texas backroom poker games. The same ones Doyle and Amarillo made famous.
Woody Harrelson's dad was a regular in these same poker rooms. I have had at least four of these people tell me that Woody's dad was an alternate for Oswald's role.
Of course he didn't know it was a set up, he just thought it was a job.
This could be some old poker room gossip bullshite, but the old-timers swear it's true.
Woody Harrelson's dad was a regular in these same poker rooms. I have had at least four of these people tell me that Woody's dad was an alternate for Oswald's role.
Of course he didn't know it was a set up, he just thought it was a job.
This could be some old poker room gossip bullshite, but the old-timers swear it's true.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:29 pm to WestCoastAg
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but you dont just let all of those ships and planes get destroyed.
You might if the ships are outdated, which they were. And when you’re relying on the entire American Industrial Complex to be behind you, it doesn’t take too long to replace those planes. All those ships that were sunk were woefully unprepared to face the Japanese.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:29 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
If they knew, battleships were already on the way out. Great for close range tactical slug fests and being a fleet in name. But the real factors were the carriers, their escorts, subs and finally logistics. Japan's inevitable defeat was signed the moment it galvanized our west coast into action. Thinking it would be the same as beating on mostly outdated and unsuppliable Royal Navy elements early in the war without realizing their entire military was already a dinosaur.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:30 pm to TROLA
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Me about United 93
We shot the plane down because it was going to destroy another building like the other 3 planes. Those people were dying anyway.
The story of them fighting back and stopping the terrorists sounds better though
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:30 pm to BRgetthenet
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BRgetthenet
Not comparable. It’s one thing to let a military base be attacked and another for its crown jewel in New York be attacked. I’m willing to bet 3/4 of people in 1941 couldn’t tell me what Pearl Harbor was before it was attacked.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:31 pm to Deactived
All sounds plausible but I haven’t seen heard the evidence except what’s readily available
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:33 pm to OMLandshark
quote:yes. some of those ships were 30 years old. but i think youd be surprised at how many shits in our current navy are 30 years old. and we salvaged many of those ships from the bottom of the harbor and used them in the following months and years of the war. they were functional ships that still had a place in our navy
You might if the ships are outdated, which they were
quote:you are going to get that anyway once japan inevitably invades the phillipines
And when you’re relying on the entire American Industrial Complex to be behind you, it doesn’t take too long to replace those planes.
quote:yes. because of our failure with our radar operators on the island and because we didnt think japan would be able to hit us with such a large attack on the hawaiian islands. we just truly thought a japanese attack was going to come at one of our holdings in the far east. mainly the phillipines
All those ships that were sunk were woefully unprepared to face the Japanese.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:39 pm to WestCoastAg
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but i think youd be surprised at how many shits in our current navy are 30 years old.
The escalation of military technology between 1915 and 1945 isn’t comparable from between 1989 and 2019. 1915 they were still using horses largely on the battlefield. A well armed 1988 army would stand a chance against a 2018 army, with drones being the only hardcore advantage (and they had satellites to make that up.) Nothing the 1915 armies had can compare to what 1945 armies had. They’d get obliterated in an instant.
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you are going to get that anyway once japan inevitably invades the phillipines
With the same vigor just bombing Asians and a few American ambassadors there? Doubt it.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:42 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Yup he wanted to get the us in ww2 with the publics support, what better way to get public support than to let the Japanese destroy a couple ships
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