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Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:21 pm to kingbob
I went from the Air Force to separating at 26 to waiting tables for a few years to working in a random startup at 32 to tech sales shortly after that's been great for me ever since. For your questions:
1 I just found a job that interested me and went for it. It helped that I was only a waiter (so broke) and unattached when I made the leap.
2 I didn't need any additional schooling, just needed a degree.
3 I was a broke waiter that went to working at a broke startup and then pivoted into sales making north of 150k after just a couple years and still increasing quickly. Work remotely and life couldn't be better.
4 I relocated for the startup and because I was also in Baton Rouge and there were simply no opportunities for me.
1 I just found a job that interested me and went for it. It helped that I was only a waiter (so broke) and unattached when I made the leap.
2 I didn't need any additional schooling, just needed a degree.
3 I was a broke waiter that went to working at a broke startup and then pivoted into sales making north of 150k after just a couple years and still increasing quickly. Work remotely and life couldn't be better.
4 I relocated for the startup and because I was also in Baton Rouge and there were simply no opportunities for me.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:21 pm to Proximo
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this isn't easy to do in the legal field, especially if he's already struggling as a local LA attorney
I did it.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:21 pm to IT_Dawg
My passions don't pay me, though. My passion is music. I'm actually quite good at it. But, it feels like the only way to make any money off of it (and barely enough to survive), is to perform covers for tourists 6 hrs/night in a place like Bourbon St.
Basically, the only way to make a living doing my passion is to remove all the parts of it that I really enjoy (creating and performing my own music, socializing with other musicians) and just play other people's stuff full time and always be at risk of getting robbed on the way back to my car.
Maybe I'm just making excuses, but I feel like I have, at some point, found a way to turn every hobby into a chore.
Basically, the only way to make a living doing my passion is to remove all the parts of it that I really enjoy (creating and performing my own music, socializing with other musicians) and just play other people's stuff full time and always be at risk of getting robbed on the way back to my car.
Maybe I'm just making excuses, but I feel like I have, at some point, found a way to turn every hobby into a chore.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:21 pm to kingbob
How does measurements while drilling sound? 
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:22 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Well I didn’t say impossible
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:22 pm to kingbob
Just sold our house. Got no reason to stay here other than keeping the kids in the same school and being near parents. I wonder what our family would do if we just packed it up and moved on to some place more friendly. We just can’t talk ourselves into it.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:23 pm to Proximo
Sure, but the point is to offer advice. Not say, it's hard, it's tough or whatever else. That's not providing helpful advice.
What's the point of any suggestions if we just say they are hard? All life choices are hard.
What's the point of any suggestions if we just say they are hard? All life choices are hard.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:23 pm to Sun God
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How does measurements while drilling sound?
Totally down for that, actually. I tried to double-major in geology in undergrad, but couldn't due to time constraints. Had to settle for a minor. I already know how to read a few different kinds of drilling logs, but it's been a while.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:25 pm to kingbob
Well, let's see. You didn't like construction which I did for a good while and know it is pretty much grunt work, getting dirty every day working in a less than ideal environment and it can take a while to get to a good livable wage.
Now you're a lawyer and I would assume in a suit, office with A/C, don't get your hands dirty with a decent starting salary and all the perks that come with it. Cush job compared to construction.
Could it be you just don't like to work????
Now you're a lawyer and I would assume in a suit, office with A/C, don't get your hands dirty with a decent starting salary and all the perks that come with it. Cush job compared to construction.
Could it be you just don't like to work????
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:25 pm to kingbob
You got to take a big look in and ask “is this career wrong for me or just the current situation I’m in”.
I hated doing electrical utilities in Houston. Didn’t enjoy it at all. But wife had a career opportunity in Orlando, I gave it one more try and I’m so happy I did. Had a career change in division of work I did which helped, but the company I worked for in Houston just wasn’t the right fit. Now I’m client side cost control for theme park construction. Yeah it’s hard, I work nights and weekends. But finding the right company and right work in my field was key.
I hated doing electrical utilities in Houston. Didn’t enjoy it at all. But wife had a career opportunity in Orlando, I gave it one more try and I’m so happy I did. Had a career change in division of work I did which helped, but the company I worked for in Houston just wasn’t the right fit. Now I’m client side cost control for theme park construction. Yeah it’s hard, I work nights and weekends. But finding the right company and right work in my field was key.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:27 pm to Gee Grenouille
quote:this is where we are, too, my husband won’t make the leap
. I wonder what our family would do if we just packed it up and moved on to some place more friendly. We just can’t talk ourselves into it.
As for OP - just find a job you can live off of somewhere else -maybe it’s not what you do but where you are
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:27 pm to gumbo2176
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You didn't like construction which I did for a good while and know it is pretty much grunt work, getting dirty every day working in a less than ideal environment and it can take a while to get to a good livable wage.
The dirt didn't bother me none. I didn't like the lack of any sort of geographic or temporal consistency. They constantly were changing my work hours and moving me around with no notice and no information for how long I'd be wherever they sent me. Right before I quit, they were telling me I was going to Texas, but couldn't tell me if I would be gone a week, a month, or what. The crew ended up in Texas for almost 3 years. They kept flipping me back and forth between days and nights.
I also had an exceptionally crappy boss. Plus, I didn't like averaging 77hrs/wk for months at a time.
When I was working 4 10's or even 5 10's, I really didn't mind it. When I was working 13 14's, I hated it and couldn't wait to leave.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:28 pm to kingbob
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My passion is music. I'm actually quite good at it.
Then move somewhere with a great music scene. Maybe go into contractual or IP Law and look for opportunities in the music space. Potentially work for a management company as a lawyer, etc. open your eyes man. Possibilities are there….hope you find it. Best of luck
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:30 pm to kingbob
Michael Hutchense, because of the devil inside, tried this to get a new sensation.
I don’t recommend it, counselor.
I don’t recommend it, counselor.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:31 pm to kingbob
The first step is getting the F out of Louisiana. Travel on the weekends to events out of state that interest you (golf, F1 races, whatever.) You don't have to go to the events, just go to the bar in your Marriott or whatever strip is in the area. Talk to people.
You'll meet all sorts of people that can give you anecdotal information on other careers and areas of the country. "Hi, I'm Kingbob, what brings you to town?"
Mine was a minor pivot from straight IT into consulting that is IT/Information Security focused. I had moved from Greenville to BR to finish school, but then after that, I was going to go nearly anywhere to upgrade my experience and pay. Atlanta offered me first, and I moved all my crap in a weekend. A couple of years later, moved again.
But getting out of LA is key. Ask your server at Chili's what their master's degree is in, and try not to laugh.
I would avoid the DC area and anything connected to federal work. If you thought law made you hate life, wait until you're on a call with 35+ contractors accomplishing jack squat for two hours everyday.
This was probably unpopular 20 years ago, but I think there will be less backlash now: schooling is irrelevant. You're not trying to be a petroleum engineer. The most important skill is probably being able to communicate with people, which you should probably already have in spades.
You'll meet all sorts of people that can give you anecdotal information on other careers and areas of the country. "Hi, I'm Kingbob, what brings you to town?"
Mine was a minor pivot from straight IT into consulting that is IT/Information Security focused. I had moved from Greenville to BR to finish school, but then after that, I was going to go nearly anywhere to upgrade my experience and pay. Atlanta offered me first, and I moved all my crap in a weekend. A couple of years later, moved again.
But getting out of LA is key. Ask your server at Chili's what their master's degree is in, and try not to laugh.
I would avoid the DC area and anything connected to federal work. If you thought law made you hate life, wait until you're on a call with 35+ contractors accomplishing jack squat for two hours everyday.
This was probably unpopular 20 years ago, but I think there will be less backlash now: schooling is irrelevant. You're not trying to be a petroleum engineer. The most important skill is probably being able to communicate with people, which you should probably already have in spades.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:31 pm to kingbob
Work sucks. Ain’t no rose garden outchea son. 
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:33 pm to gumbo2176
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Could it be you just don't like to work?
Who actually LIKES to work?
No one wakes up and thinks, man, if only I could just do MORE that's not financially compensated and doesn't benefit my lifestyle directly!
For me, I think some of my struggles in law are due to the nature of the positions in law that I have held to date (subject matter, billable hours requirements, morality issues, etc). When I've gotten to do "actual legal work" like draft motions for summary judgment and argue in court, I've enjoyed those portions. The problem is that "actual legal work" is like 0.00000001% of being a lawyer in my experience.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:35 pm to kingbob
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For those who have changed career fields, how did you determine what career path to go down?
I got bored and tired of practicing. I had plenty of off and on high-end bartending experience, so I chose a place to go that needed that desperately and in a location that I wanted to be. That was just a foot in the door until I could find something else to transition towards.
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How did you leverage the need for additional schooling/training to get the new career you wanted vs the financial need to support yourself now?
Didn't really need to. Just interviewed and sold myself well. Small companies will take chances on charming, seemingly competent people.
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How did that pivot work for you in your sense of personal satisfaction, work/life balance, etc?
Happier than I've ever been in my life. Now, I get to spend most of my days fishing, hiking, rafting, golfing, skiing, etc.,
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Did you have to relocate to a different part of the country, and if so, how did the change of scenery impact your life going forward?
Would you rather live in north Alabama or in SW Montana?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:35 pm to kingbob
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The main hurdle to this is having to take another state's bar before I can practice anywhere else.
Not true.
I believe the following states have reciprocity with LA:
CO, DC, IL, IN, IA, ME, MD, MA, MI, MN, MT, NE, ND, OH, OR, TN, TX, VT, WA, and WI.
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