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re: Complaints about the "lack of educational opportunity" for blacks.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:06 pm to volod
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:06 pm to volod
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If we are speaking solely on educational opportunity, then blacks have the same opportunities as whites.
This is not a true statement. Studies have clearly shown that entrance requirements are reduced in favor of blacks over whites and Asians. In fact, entrance requirements for Asians are tougher than it is for whites.
So, higher education routinely practices institutional racism in favor of blacks, and against Asians.
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:10 pm to QJenk
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For most black people, they know very few people who even went to college, let alone graduate. Some dont know any who has actually went to college.
Sounds like an excuse for not going to college or getting an education to me.
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More often than not for whites, you likely know multiple people who not only went to college, but also graduated.
Neither one of my parents, and none of my grandparents attended college. My uncle is the only one before myself who graduated from college, on either side of my entire family. None of this was relevant when it came time to decide whether or not I was going to college.
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See all of these things come into play when talking about educational opportunity.
Excuses do not come into play. I'm sorry but they don't.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:15 pm to volod
Having volunteered in a 95% black elementary school, I would like to say that's not true of inner city black schools. They're shitholes mired in political bullshite that keeps the people who try to help from accomplishing anything
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:24 pm to athenslife101
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Having volunteered in a 95% black elementary school, I would like to say that's not true of inner city black schools. They're shitholes mired in political bullshite that keeps the people who try to help from accomplishing anything
How so?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:28 pm to lsuhunt555
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That's the only thing they've ever done that was noteworthy, IMO.
Well, the WWII officer production was kind of a big deal, too
#KillinNazis
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:30 pm to volod
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volod
I thought you were unemployed and trying to find a job.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:32 pm to MightyYat
Sounds like an excuse because these teachers don't care either if the children succeed
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:40 pm to MightyYat
One example was there were several teachers who retired to the area that were respected state wide. They started doing part timework at this school and they were released because the school told them they were looking for black teachers. But the teachers they hired in their place couldn't pass the necessary tests to become certified. Now the school is left hanging down two teachers and might have to combine several classes
Also, a lot of the kids are abused at home and many of the teachers just dont really care. There were a few times when a kid would be telling the teacher and the teacher would assume the kid is lying only to find out that they were long later.
i could go on and on.
Also, a lot of the kids are abused at home and many of the teachers just dont really care. There were a few times when a kid would be telling the teacher and the teacher would assume the kid is lying only to find out that they were long later.
i could go on and on.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:44 pm to QJenk
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Not necessarily. If you grow up in the hood. Chances are it is a shitty school with shitty teachers where you learn nothing.
If youre atleast in a decent middle class area, chances are your school is so much better.
Also, when talking secondary plans. For most black people, they know very few people who even went to college, let alone graduate. Some dont know any who has actually went to college.
But on the other hand. More often than not for whites, you likely know multiple people who not only went to college, but also graduated.
See all of these things come into play when talking about educational opportunity.
this is true ( not as a race issue) but my point is stop the cycle. Don't resort to living in the hood on food stamps. Get a job no matter what it is and work to get out the hood. Thats the first step. Next step dont have 10 kids if you can't afford to get out the hood. If every parent in the hood would attempt this then something might happen. do something
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:46 pm to athenslife101
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They're shitholes mired in political bullshite that keeps the people who try to help from accomplishing anything
sounds like most public schools in LA to me
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:47 pm to TigersSEC2010
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least 35% of the ones at LSU have absolutely no business being there
Not sure it's that high of a percentage, BUT, I know for a FACT that black applicants are given more opportunities and options for admission when it comes to certain ACT sub scores than white applicants simply because they are black and are "at a disadvantage" with the ACT.
Don't shoot the messenger. I disagree with that as much as you all disagree with that.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:56 pm to Paddyshack
All schools are historically white universities. So to answer your question yes. I would.
Do you not realize that HBCUs were born in a time whe we could not go to anywhere else. So thats why they were built. Its history.
Also plenty of white people go to HBCUs, i dlnt hae any numbers. But it happens more often than not. So yes it is an opportunity.
Do you not realize that HBCUs were born in a time whe we could not go to anywhere else. So thats why they were built. Its history.
Also plenty of white people go to HBCUs, i dlnt hae any numbers. But it happens more often than not. So yes it is an opportunity.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:58 pm to Salmon
Whether you consider it a race issue or class issue. That does not matter. It is an issue that affects a much larger percentage of blacks than whites. It is something that needs to get fixed.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:00 pm to rpg37
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I can tell you as a teacher who taught in inner city Memphis that these all-black schools get more state and federal funding than the white schools do. The teachers are paid more, they have more technology in the classroom and better equipment overall. It is the home life of the blacks that keeps them falling behind. Schools have children 1/3 of the day 1/2 days of the year. Where they are the other 5/6 of the time is the difference.
I am quoting this just in case someone missed it before.
I am a teacher and it is just mind boggling the difference in parent involvement between different races. It is not a coincidence or too small a sample size. Culturally, certain groups do not value education and often see those in education as being against their children. This does not stand for every person in said group. There are always those who are amazing parents and instill great values in their children, including a great education.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:01 pm to QJenk
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It is something that needs to get fixed.
How do we go about doing this?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:06 pm to Salmon
Whether you consider it a race issue or class issue. That does not matter. It is an issue that affects a much larger percentage of blacks than whites. It is something that needs to get fixed.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:06 pm to QJenk
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All schools are historically white universities
But we don't label them as such? It's your prejudice that still allows you to see them as such.
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Do you not realize that HBCUs were born in a time whe we could not go to anywhere else
Do you not realize that those times are long gone? Kinda my point.
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So thats why they were built. Its history
Could say the same about the statues, couldn't we? That doesn't stop them from being "racist". Why the double standard?
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Also plenty of white people go to HBCUs, i dlnt hae any numbers. But it happens more often than not. So yes it is an opportunity.
It happens more often than not that white people attend an HBCU?
Okay, man, whatever you say.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:07 pm to Salmon
Unfortunately, I dont quite have the answer to this question. I wish I did.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:08 pm to cbi8
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But are they in the same private schools?
You think the majority of white kids are in private schools?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:08 pm to RB10
I am personally not blaming the schools. There are a multitude of issues that all needs to get addressed.
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