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re: Comparing the unemployment rates of the US and the EU

Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:06 am to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:06 am to
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The politicians changed the way the US calculates unemployment to make it look good.


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When did this happen?


It was changed in 1994 to make it look like Clinton was doing a good job on unemployment.

In 1994, the BLS changed the way in which it counts “discouraged” workers for the U-3 index. If one is unemployed for more than 52 weeks, even if one continues to look for employment, one is dropped from the labor force.
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 8:09 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:08 am to
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I can't fathom not wanting to work if you're able to. I don't get people who don't have any drive to succeed and make something of their own.

I have made choices to not work like an insane person and to enjoy life, capping my potential, so I'm not one of those A-types who grind for 70-80 hours a week and think that's the most important thing in the world. I also take time off to regroup and relax, which also helps think of new strategies and companies.

But, I can't go more than 4-5 days doing nothing anymore. It just gets so boring. I cannot imagine how people can literally go years and years just lounging around, literally doing nothing with their lives.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:09 am to
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I cannot imagine how people can literally go years and years just lounging around, literally doing nothing with their lives.


Drugs and alcohol baw
Posted by Hangit
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:13 am to
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The politicians changed the way the US calculates unemployment to make it look good.


I wonder how many people of working age, from 18-65, are unemployed? That is the real unemployment rate.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:15 am to
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Drugs and alcohol baw


And overregulation

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These regulations were most severe in the market for labor, but apply to other markets as well, as in the case of housing restrictions or even the selling of medicine. Unfortunately, an overregulated labor market is nothing new in Europe, and calls for even more regulation have grown louder since the Coronavirus pandemic began almost two years ago.

To put things into perspective, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) generates an index that illustrates the extent to which each country’s labor market is restricted. The general pattern shows that non-English speaking members of the OECD are far more regulated than their English-speaking counterparts, like the United States, Great Britain, and Canada. Countries like Spain, France, and Italy have greater Employment Protection Legislation (EPL) that constrains employers from hiring and firing workers.

As a result, Spain has what is called a dual labor market (duality) in which workers are hired on either fixed-term, temporary contracts, or regular, open-ended contracts. The wide gap between these two types of labor markets mostly impacts immigrants and young, unskilled workers, since they are most likely to work on temporary contracts.

To illustrate, over 24 percent of the Spanish work force is employed on temporary work contracts, much higher relative to other OECD countries. Similarly, each month in Spain, 90 percent of hires are on temporary work contracts. These figures help explain the high unemployment rates observed in Spain over the past three decades—averaging 17.3 percent compared to 7.6 percent for EU-8 countries and 5.2 percent for the U.S.


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Posted by Hulkklogan
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:19 am to
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I have made choices to not work like an insane person and to enjoy life, capping my potential, so I'm not one of those A-types who grind for 70-80 hours a week and think that's the most important thing in the world. I also take time off to regroup and relax, which also helps think of new strategies and companies.



This is the way. Work is not a good source of fulfillment for me, though I used to treat it as such. Having kids changed that for me. Now I batch tasks at work and I generally work less hours but am way more efficient in those hours (yay salaried) because I am able to focus and otherwise have down time to recoup. Annual reviews are better than ever.

But if I didn't work I'd be doing something with my days for sure.
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 8:20 am
Posted by Motownsix
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Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:19 am to
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Correct which doesnt show real unemployment. Real unemployment is most likely over 50% in the native villages, but the official stats look much lower. Its because most of the people there don't look for, nor want to work.


The current labor participation rate is 62.5%.
Lot of people retiring early. My suspicion is that the amount of inherited wealth has risen drastically in recent years.

I don’t think the BLS fabricates labor numbers for political reasons. My job is closely tied to following BLS data over the year.

There’s a lot of people who claim as much as 50% of the jobs currently in existence will be gone within 10 years.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:20 am to
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I don't get people who don't have any drive to succeed and make something of their own


Same, but I dont understand people grinding their life away neither.
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:22 am to
That doesn’t account for the amount of people just not looking for jobs (US & EU)
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:24 am to
I’m certainly not in the know, but if the US is skewing these stats why are we to believe that everyone else is NOT?

European life and especially places in Southern Europe is great and easy to enjoy. Hard to blame some for not wanting more. I don’t understand being unemployed but I can understand having an easy life.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:24 am to
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My suspicion is that the amount of inherited wealth has risen drastically in recent years.

My argument against that is inflation.

My grandfather passed away and left behind a $3000 life insurance policy.

That was a lot of money in the 40s.
Not so much in the 21st century.

There is "inherited wealth". But the majority of cases are going to be between $5k-$20k. These aren't early retirement figures. Land inheritance may be the only thing transferred of value.
Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
3084 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:26 am to
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Average US unemployment rate is 3.5%.


Fake numbers. The only administration that ever reported the true number was the Trump administration. Every other president reported fake numbers to make themselves look better.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
5734 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:29 am to
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Changing qualifications for social security disability benefits also has an impact.

I have community members getting SS checks for covid brain. Fybromyalgia. And other invisible ailments.




Nothing has changed, people have been abusing SS disability since the 80s/90s.. Up through the early 90s one could actually get SS disability solely due to drug and alcohol. addiction.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:29 am to
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Work is not a good source of fulfillment for me,


Same.

I take pride in my work, but it sure as hell isn't my identity. When people ask me "what do you do" I usually tell them my hobbies.

I work until its not fun, then move on. Yeah, I sacrifice a lot of upper income, but I also keep life fresh and a lot more interesting than selling my soul for a career.

The job I have used to be a very visible (still is to an extent) and respected position. Its falling apart now, but thats why I am back here for the transitions. I'm probably making a minimal difference, but I kind of enjoy it.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:30 am to
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If unemployment is so low, why hasn't govt spending been reduced?

Because unemployment is a laughably low portion of our total spending
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:35 am to
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SlowFlowPro
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I have made choices to not work like an insane person
Only to post like one….
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:49 am to
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I wonder how many people of working age, from 18-65, are unemployed? That is the real unemployment rate.


That’s an irrelevant figure. Does a homemaker raising kids need to count as “unemployed”? That’s silly.

Someone is only unemployed if they are actively seeking employment and can’t find a job.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:50 am to
How are each calculated? The way we do it is complete bullshite
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:51 am to
How is participation rate
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96877 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 9:00 am to
UE rate should be calculated based on people age 18-65 and simply whether they are employed or not. Labor force participation should only exclude retirees and people with severe disability. If you just choose not to work you’re still unemployed
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