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Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/young-men-college-decline-gender-gap-higher-education/620066/

I wish someone who writes an article on this topic would show how the degrees are distributed. How many are getting education degrees versus engineering degrees? Stats like that matter if students are going $50k into debt for the piece of paper at the end.


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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Women in the United States have earned more bachelor’s degrees than men every year since the mid-1980s—every year, in other words, that I’ve been alive


Someone has to do the hard work.

Women aren't going to do it.


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
They are just staring a conversation...


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tiggerthetooth
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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
Yeah but patriarchy and female rights etc.etc.


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
Thesis sentence of article:

"American colleges and universities now enroll roughly six women for every four men. This is the largest female-male gender gap in the history of higher education, and it’s getting wider. Last year, U.S. colleges enrolled 1.5 million fewer students than five years ago, The Wall Street Journal recently reported. Men accounted for more than 70 percent of the decline."

Moar lesboses?


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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I wish someone who writes an article on this topic would show how the degrees are distributed. How many are getting education degrees versus engineering degrees?


Degrees aren't broken down by gender but you can get a good picture of whats going on at LSU using their annual fact sheet


COLLEGE/SCHOOL (U.G. GRAD./PROF. TOTAL)

Agriculture 1,548 312 1,860
Art & Design 1,059 97 1,156
Business 1,694 392 2,086
Coast & Environment 101 85 186
Engineering 3,433 514 3,947
Human Sciences & Education 1,902 832 2,734
Humanities & Social Sciences 3,314 569 3,883
Law Center 0 598 598
Mass Communication 677 71 748
Music & Dramatic Arts 430 177 607
Nondegree/Graduate School 0 72 72
Science 1,430 499 1,929
U.C.-Ctr. for Adv./Couns. 2,265 0 2,265
U.C.-Ctr. for Fresh. Year 9,695 0 9,695
Veterinary Medicine 0 565 565
LSU Online:
• Business 0 342 342
• Coast & Environment 0 23 23
• Engineering 134 84 218
• Human Sciences & Education 23 1,104 1,127
• Humanities & Social Sciences 89 6 95
• U.C.-Ctr. for Adv./Couns. 106 0 106
• U.C.-Ctr. for Fresh. Year 48 0 48
Total 27,948 6,342 34,290

LSU Statistical Fact Sheet
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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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Women aren't going to do it.




You mean Americans aren't going to do it.. Because I see a lot of Mexicans doing the hard work. That's who I see in the cane fields, etc, etc, etc..


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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As a general rule, almost every country that gives men and women equal access to education discovers, within a few decades, that women are doing better.



Are we sure this is actually true? Or do women get preference? I mean, all anyone hears about is how poorly women are treated.


Look at AOC who went to Boston U. What did she get out of her college education?


Eta: This article is leftist drivel.


He talks thoroughly about female educational attainment for decades and then mentions male earnings yet he has no idea why that's the case. He also assumes college is the end all be all of success. He never considers the fact that women aren't higher in earnings because A) they forgo hard science degrees for softer liberal arts degrees, and B) they leave the workforce to raise children, C) men work in demand jobs that allow them to earn more.


He just makes a lot of typical leftists assumptions that give him a leftist solution.


Also, talking about marriage between college grads....they are by far the LEAST likely demo to reproduce compared to their peers.


He's confusing marriage with reproduction. Non-college graduates are outproducing college grads WITHOUT marriage. College has exacerbated this even more than it was before.


Female educational attainment is inversely related to childbearing. A high school drop out by far outproduces female PhDs.


I also find it funny that he only seems to think the problem is with men and not the system. As we all know if the same data was shifted to where women had these outcomes men currently have then every politician from here to kingdom come would advocate for its obliteration immediately under the pretense of "systemic sexism".

It's like they've never considered the fact that even in the "ugly horrible patriarchies" of history men had to build societies with women in mind as an asset to the society, not an enslaved and oppressed damsel like leftists see. Maybe men didn't just build institutions for "men only" like they always depict.


I don't know, is it possible our education system is....gynocentric?
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deathvalleyfreak43
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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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That's who I see in the cane fields


Oh really? How many cane fields to you regularly tour?


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
It became glaringly obvious over the past 10-15 years that technical schools will cause a guy to earn 100k+ in a much shorter period of time.

Then the entire 2 year school isn’t but like 30k so worse case scenario, that’s the worst you can come out in debt.

A huge vast amount of college degrees will never reach 100k/year and it taking most people 5 years to finish.

You can specialize in a degree field and go into masters level schools and easily earn 100k.

I wish at 18-20, i would have gone the tech school route


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
Gonna be harder for women to get those Pre-Wed or MRS degrees.


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
What trades are making $100k quickly?


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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six women for every four men.


This article was clearly not written by a STEM major.


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
You'll also never see female electricians, plumbers, welders, linesmen, construction workers.


College is a vanity for a lot of women to mingle with a particular status of individuals.


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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Look at AOC who went to Boston U. What did she get out of her college education?


Several million dollars and a seat in the House of Representatives.


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
It doesn't really have all that much to do with the gender gap in college enrollment, but I think the author hit on something there mentioning a "deindustrialized America".

When the country no longer manufactures anything and relies mostly on importation, it doesn't bode well for those that don't go to college. Which historically, is more men. As mentioned, the vast majority women sure aren't going to work the fields, the steel plants, or the automobile plants. Just a generation ago, one could earn a comfortable upper-middle class living and raise a family by getting a good manufacturing job. But unions and the government selling our country up the river has completely ruined that. There can only been so many plumbers, HVAC techs, or electricians. Those are a few of the only fields where one can make a good living without a college degree in this day and age. Even then, you need to own the business.
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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
The entire public educational system is built upon feminist ideology with all of the left wing theories and criticisms sprinkled in. It is very difficult if not impossible for boys to find their identity in an environment that raises them as defective women.


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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What trades are making $100k quickly?


The mines will get you to 100k in 3-4 years, no experience necessary. They provide vocational training through the local colleges. 6 month course.

Local construction workers make that. Work 6-7 months a year, but get a lot of OT in the summer.
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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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It became glaringly obvious over the past 10-15 years that technical schools will cause a guy to earn 100k+ in a much shorter period of time.

Then the entire 2 year school isn’t but like 30k so worse case scenario, that’s the worst you can come out in debt.

A huge vast amount of college degrees will never reach 100k/year and it taking most people 5 years to finish.

You can specialize in a degree field and go into masters level schools and easily earn 100k.

I wish at 18-20, i would have gone the tech school route


my wife and i have degrees. she's a teacher and i'm in IT. they go to a private school, but that's moreso that we have a say in their teaching, faith, and indoctrination.

my oldest wants to go to Baylor and get an MD... and i am strongly strongly encouraging him to look into a trade. i'm not paying for a pre-med degree at a private school. public in state school... maybe.

i get that the high end of being a plumber/welder/mechanic is not near as high as an MD, but he can be making $50-75k by the time he's 22 as opposed to having $100k in debt at 22. he could easily be making $100k without that debt before he's 30.

i'm not opposed to higher ed, but when the government took over the loans, colleges got a wild hair that they could hire administration at a ridiculous clip and then just pass on the costs to students and know the government would say "sure."


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re: Colleges Have a Guy Problem (The Atlantic)
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my oldest wants to go to Baylor and get an MD... and i am strongly strongly encouraging him to look into a trade. i'm not paying for a pre-med degree at a private school.


Your kid has aspirations of being a doctor and you’re encouraging him to become a plumber. Did you try saying that out loud or just type it out here for OT pats on the back?

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i get that the high end of being a plumber/welder/mechanic is not near as high as an MD, but he can be making $50-75k by the time he's 22 as opposed to having $100k in debt at 22. he could easily be making $100k without that debt before he's 30.


Why are you stopping your calculations at age 30? Play the numbers out over the course of a career. Look at an average plumber and an average doctor.

Student loan debt is much more of an issue for someone picking up an English degree without regard to where their career is headed. If your kid wants to be a doctor, and has the academic capability of achieving that goal, you should be cheering him on (even if you aren’t willing to pay for it).


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