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re: Co-pilot walk around outside the plane
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:09 am to ChewyDante
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:09 am to ChewyDante
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How the frick do all the controls lock on take off? That's like an absolute nightmare scenario that one would think would be designed to be impossible.
Assuming that's true for whatever reason, I wonder when the pilot recognized it because I'd think the first course of action would be to abandon takeoff.
It happens more often in crop duster's than you'd like to think. Usually because of lack of a thorough pre-flight, following an actual check list. Those pilots become so accustomed to their aircraft, and its' preflight, they think they have everything memorized, and fail to use a written checklist. Forget one "small" item and get locked up in flight. Scary scenario.
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:14 am to ChewyDante
It didn't engage until he was airborne otherwise he never would have been able to rotate.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:18 am to redstick13
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It didn't engage until he was airborne otherwise he never would have been able to rotate.
True. Makes me wonder if he engaged the locks instead of retracting the flaps; although it appears to be a but early in the takeoff phase for that.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:26 am to darnol91
tl;dr Ready for takeoff
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:30 am to LC412000
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What do they look for other than obvious damage to the aircraft? Are there items they are specifically looking at or looking for?
Fetzer valve damage, of course, but I guess that would be obvious.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:42 am to LC412000
you have to complete the checklist before every flight.
On commercial jets they have a crew for this, but pilots will still inspect. On smaller planes the pilot basically checks everything before they take off. Sometimes you even do a "run Up" where you pull of to the side of the runway in a paved area, face the wind, lock the brakes and throttle up then turn off your mag banks one at a time and check for appropriate gauge responses, make sure everything looks good with the engine at load, then take off.
On commercial jets they have a crew for this, but pilots will still inspect. On smaller planes the pilot basically checks everything before they take off. Sometimes you even do a "run Up" where you pull of to the side of the runway in a paved area, face the wind, lock the brakes and throttle up then turn off your mag banks one at a time and check for appropriate gauge responses, make sure everything looks good with the engine at load, then take off.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:57 am to Dont_Call_Me_RAY
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On larger aircraft there is a gust lock lever. It must have been inadvertently engaged during takeoff or shortly after.
Small Cessna/pipers just have a mechanical lock that is inserted into the control wheel, it's really a control lock that prevents flight control movement.
Larger aircraft have electro-mechanical and more sophisticated types, although the Lear I currently fly literally just has a strap that we tie around the pedals and through the controls, It's pretty ghetto. I used to fly for the regionals on the embraer 145 and we had an electro mechanical lock that I think could only be engaged/disengaged on the ground; one of our crews only partially disengaged it which caused them to depart with partial power. They cleared the trees at the end of the runway by just a few feet and somehow managed to fly it back around for a landing.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 10:02 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:01 am to Dont_Call_Me_RAY
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Landing gear and hydraulics Tire condition, Flaps and attitude controls, Any other signs of fluids,
Popped rivets
Loose panels
Broken lights/strobes
Instrument covers removed
Stuff like that
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:02 am to FredsGotSlacks
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They cleared the trees at the end of the runway by just a few feet and somehow managed to fly it back around for a landing.
That had to be a white-knuckler with partial range on the controls. Wasn't this situation exposed during the preflight control check from the cockpit by applying full input to all the surfaces?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:07 am to Loungefly85
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It's called a pre-flight. It's to avoid shite like this poor dead bastard who didn't check his aircraft properly and left the gust lock in place before taking off.
Holy frick that escalated quickly.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:29 am to FredsGotSlacks
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Small Cessna/pipers just have a mechanical lock that is inserted into the control wheel, it's really a control lock that prevents flight control movement.
I did my single engine training on a Piper Archer. We just deflected the ailerons all the way to the right and looped the seatbelt through the yoke and locked the seatbelt.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:31 am to RedFoxx
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. We just deflected the ailerons all the way to the right and looped the seatbelt through the yoke and locked the seatbelt.
pretty much what we do
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:50 am to FredsGotSlacks
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FredsGotSlacks
What do you think is the one control surface you could lose in flight (>3k ft) and best bring it down safely somewhere. Assuming flat terrain and all trims/flaps operable.
Ailerons
Rudder
Elevators
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:54 am to Dont_Call_Me_RAY
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Flaps and attitude controls,
You do not want to be stuck on a plane with a bad attitude...I can tell you that. Good on the pilot for checking.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:55 am to Chucktown_Badger
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You do not want to be stuck on a plane with a bad attitude.
word
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:55 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Chitown_Badger
Good one!Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:58 am to Chucktown_Badger
was on a plane the other day with 14 bad attitudes, but they insisted I call them "flight attendants"
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:00 pm to 777Tiger
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"flight attendants"
They were so much nicer as stewardesses.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:00 pm to Loungefly85
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It's called a pre-flight. It's to avoid shite like this poor dead bastard who didn't check his aircraft properly and left the gust lock in place before taking off. YouTube
I know zero about planes. Can you explain what you said in layman terms? That looked terrible.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:07 pm to Dont_Call_Me_RAY
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They were so much nicer as stewardesses.
was talking to one on a flight home the other day about a trip to Europe that I was planning, she had been the same place not too long ago, she told me to buy a Eurorail pass and said to pay for the upgrade to first, it's worth it, drinks are free and they have a hostess to serve you, they're like flight attendants, only they're nice to you
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