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re: Clemson - expecting people to be on time is culturally insensitive.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:13 pm to LordSaintly
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:13 pm to LordSaintly
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It's just that some cultures have varying ideas of punctuality.
Yeah, and some are wrong and late.
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:13 pm to blueboy
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how up at the designated hour you are being rude and imposing on your hosts.
Not talking about dinner parties.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:16 pm to Jake88
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Yeah, and some are wrong and late.
Exactly. This cultural relativism bullshite about "no one is better or worse, just different" needs to stop.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:18 pm to ProjectP2294
I had a professor from Africa who was always making fun of the chronically late cultures.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:23 pm to tigerpike
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This information is business 101. When dealing with clients or stakeholders from other countries you have to be aware of their cultural norms. I really don't see what the big deal is here.
Obviously when you deal with these people, they have the power in the relationship. If you had the power, they would be bending to YOUR definition of on-time. I'm sure you also suck their dick if they ask because they have the power
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:26 pm to TimeOutdoors
fricking whit people. Always be showing up on time and shite
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:29 pm to LordSaintly
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it's a business meeting and your potential clients are from those cultures, then you're damn right their norms take precedence.
If I'm the client, frick them
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:35 pm to TimeOutdoors
Am I too late to point out that showing up late in a culture that values punctuality is also culturally insensitive using this same stupid fricking criteria?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:37 pm to LordSaintly
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If it's a business meeting and your potential clients are from those cultures, then you're damn right their norms take precedence.
If you're that desperate to deal with people showing up late, you're in a bad position in the negotiation anyway. Might as well scrap it and try again when you have a more even opportunity or one slanted your way
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:38 pm to ShortyRob
People are missing the point in the thread. Sure there are other cultures with different definitions of what is rude in relation to time. When I visit one of them I make sure that I'm aware of their cultural expectations and I behaved in a manner that wouldn't be considered rude to them.
On the flip side if they visit America and keep showing up late then they're being rude fricking assholes.
How is this even difficult to understand?
On the flip side if they visit America and keep showing up late then they're being rude fricking assholes.
How is this even difficult to understand?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:43 pm to athenslife101
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When we made an appointments in Spain, we did know to not expect them for ~3 hours of when the appointment was made.
You were in Spain, thus you adjust to them.
When they are in the U.S.A., they adjust to U.S. customs, culture, etc.
It shouldn't be this hard.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:43 pm to ShortyRob
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How is this even difficult to understand
Well, the culturally insensitive proclamation is just more smug, pretentious nearsighted bullshite
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:04 pm to TimeOutdoors
quote:from other countries is no biggie, I agree with Clemson here. But if they're talking about anyone from America, nah, show up on time.
Alejandro scheduled a 9:00 a.m. meeting with two groups of visiting professors and students from other countries,
International business, if you have clients, better respect their norms.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:08 pm to TimeOutdoors
Is it time to realize that some cultures built the world and that they may be better?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:08 pm to TimeOutdoors
This is Beyond Missouri shite.
These schools are going full stupid.
These schools are going full stupid.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:13 pm to athenslife101
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When we made an appointments in Spain, we did know to not expect them for ~3 hours of when the appointment was made.
You must have not had anything very interesting, and they were afraid to say no.
Lemme guess, your USA commercial office made the appointments?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:59 pm to TimeOutdoors
I'm a punctual person, and I like that I can depend on Chinese people to show up exactly when they say that they will. The Mongolian people were sometimes late, and I had to adapt to that reality. I was bothered that they showed up on time for buses, for example, but if it was a meeting I had scheduled, they knew that nothing would change if they were a little late. They were making a value judgment when deciding if they HAD to be on time or not, and it made me feel unappreciated.
But the example in the OP is about how you react in this situation. I wasn't going to sacrifice my goodwill with them by getting all pissed off that they weren't on time for my meeting. So C is the better answer, although it is bending too much to the people strolling in late.
I agree with the posters saying that adapting to cultures is a two-way street. If I was a visiting professor in the US, I'd inquire about the cultural norms regarding time and adjust.
But the example in the OP is about how you react in this situation. I wasn't going to sacrifice my goodwill with them by getting all pissed off that they weren't on time for my meeting. So C is the better answer, although it is bending too much to the people strolling in late.
I agree with the posters saying that adapting to cultures is a two-way street. If I was a visiting professor in the US, I'd inquire about the cultural norms regarding time and adjust.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 11:52 pm to Negative Nomad
Name checks out.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 12:03 am to TimeOutdoors
you fricking nancies are missing the point.
in the scenarios, these are fricking GUESTS. visiting students and professors.
They're just supposed to know?
They're supposed to just change immediately?
Alejandro is supposed to say "here in my house" to people he s hosting on behalf of the university?
He's supposed to demand an apology?
Christ on a cracker are you guys protective of unimportant things
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Alejandro scheduled a 9:00 a.m. meeting with two groups of visiting professors and students from other countries,” one of the scenarios states. “When he arrived, he found that the first group had been waiting for fifteen minutes.”
in the scenarios, these are fricking GUESTS. visiting students and professors.
They're just supposed to know?
They're supposed to just change immediately?
Alejandro is supposed to say "here in my house" to people he s hosting on behalf of the university?
He's supposed to demand an apology?
Christ on a cracker are you guys protective of unimportant things
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 12:05 am
Posted on 4/15/17 at 12:10 am to LSU Fan 90812
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karmapol1ce
I think the point is a bit larger than you are looking at
That being said, the question is a little too vague
Person set meeting with 2 groups at 9 am
When person shows up, first group had been there 15 minutes. In theory, person showed up on time at 9 am and first group arrived at 8:45.
Second group arrives at 9:10 and apparently still feels that they should be taken care of first even though they were knowingly late and other group had been at gathering for 25 minutes
I don't see this as a cultural issue. This is a common courtesy issue. The first group arrived first, and no reasonable human being (regardless of culture) should have difficulty understanding concept of first come, first serve.
Is that reasonable?
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