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re: Church shooting in SC***Update**Suspect Identified/Captured

Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:21 am to
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:21 am to
I don't think its impossible, or the discussion won't be there after events like this, if it comes out he has a history.
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:21 am to
Typical OT

1. people joking about this
2. but but black on black crime is waaaaaayyyy worst than this
3. Thread becomes a strong safety bashfest

Carry on guys.
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13998 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:22 am to
Want to debate this?

Show me a white mass murder who wasn't off his rocker.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:23 am to
quote:

About right statistically.

Most black on black deaths are gang related.

Most muslim terror deaths are attributed to Allah.

Most white mass murders are mentally ill and choose victims based on an altered view of the world.

I take exception to the Muslim thing. Their terrorists are the equivalent of the Westboro Church. So they're just fricked up.


You're doing exactly what social scientist say what happens. You're marginalizing white mass murders to an individual motive, such as a world view or a mental illness, which distracts, defends,and protects us from a real discussion.

As you did this, you attribute minority terroristic acts to a group pathology. How is it that one group can be pathologized but anther group can't?
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:23 am to
Nothing to joke about. 9 lives wasted and a thug on the loose. I pray for the families involved in this terrible tragedy and for the officers trying to find this POS and put him in jail or hell, whichever he chooses. I pray no more innocent lives are lost in this case.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476284 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:24 am to
quote:

3. Thread becomes a strong safety bashfest

well he jumped in posting absolutely ridiculous questions and starting off posts with illogical statements to set the framing

if he posted with more rationality and less emotion, he wouldn't be bashed as much

quote:

2. but but black on black crime is waaaaaayyyy worst than this

again, if the race pimps didn't start using this situation to state some misplaced, illogical point, i doubt you'd have this reaction

do you expect people NOT to respond to irrational bullshite being spewed?

this is just a random data point with no connection to any other data point. there is no bigger story. this is just a sad reality of living: sometimes really bad outlier incidents occur.
Posted by CidCock
Member since Sep 2007
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:25 am to
quote:

StrongSafety


What's the solution?
Posted by Austin Cajun
Austin, Tejas
Member since Aug 2013
1884 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:26 am to
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This is just a sample of mass shootings done by blacks over the past 5 years.

Quintarius Maby, Darrius Dante McNeil, Jermaine Hayes, J'morian Bell, Trey Foster, Michael McNabb, Stephen Gilbert, Sean Johnson, Christopher Lamont Richardson.

There are WAY WAY more black spree/serial killers than whites. I believe Coral Eugene Watts still has the most confirmed kills in the United States and he was black [he targeted white women].

Recent university shooter was black, don't forgot Aaron Alexis just happened like a year ago or so.

Ask anyone about serial killers and they will usually spout off the big 3 [Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer] only because the media hyped them up forever + basically taped their entire court proceedings. You can watch virtually Dahmer's entire court case on liveleak. People act like he's the only recent cannibal serial killer...however Marc Sappington's [black serial killer cannibal] is swept under the rug.

John Allen Muhammad/Lee Boyd are without a doubt the biggest serial killers of the 2000s. Both are black. Grim Sleeper [who killed in the early 70s-late 80s] just was captured because his son got arrested and cops got a partial DNA on that cold case.

Colin Ferguson's entire defense was "black rage made my client do it" and he got into a fight in prison bragging about how many white devils he killed.

500 lbs Kendall Francois just died of AIDS, he was a Haitian who killed women in acid.

Derrick Todd Lee also killed white women recently and his lawyers tried to say he couldn't stand trial since low IQ tactic.




Don't be bringing facts into this discussion. There's no room for that kind of trash here.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
32939 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:26 am to
you say that as if white males are the only ones who suffer from mental issues.

That's always the excuse for white males committing hate crimes and things. The kid is a POS and needs to get the death penalty
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45530 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:26 am to
quote:

You're doing exactly what social scientist say what happens. You're marginalizing white mass murders to an individual motive, such as a world view or a mental illness, which distracts, defends,and protects us from a real discussion.


No you pretending that AAs do no wrong and it is all the white mans fault is what keeps us from having a real discussion.

Lets look at the last 3 white mass shootings:
1: Charleston SC- shooter unkown and therefore no info to talk about as of right now. However he does have a bowl cut and that is a give away.
2: CT shooting: shooter was mentally ill and mother was trying to get him committed.
3. Aurora Co: The shooter was obviously mentally ill.

So how is this a white ppl problem and not a mental health problem?
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 8:28 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476284 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:27 am to
quote:

You're marginalizing white mass murders to an individual motive, such as a world view or a mental illness, which distracts, defends,and protects us from a real discussion.

there is no link between the mass murders except a VERY general "mental illness" description (which likely won't even include the same mental illnesses amongst the group, so there really isn't a consistent link). these are just random data points

quote:

As you did this, you attribute minority terroristic acts to a group pathology.

well with muslim terrorism, that's certain and not exactly a secret (note: he didn't discuss a race)

and i'd imagine his claim about black deaths being gang related may be off, but a great % of black deaths involve some sort of organized crime
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86099 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:27 am to
quote:

The kid is a POS and needs to get the death penalty


no one is going to disagree with you
Posted by skjellyfetti
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:28 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476284 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:28 am to
quote:

you say that as if white males are the only ones who suffer from mental issues.

they suffer them at higher rates than any other group

some is likely biological. some is likely cultural.

quote:

The kid is a POS and needs to get the death penalty


who is disagreeing with this?
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:28 am to
quote:

but but black on black crime is waaaaaayyyy worst than this


Statistically is it not?

The so-called black leaders love to take every opportunity available to preach about how black lives matter... as long as a white person is pulling the trigger. They conveniently ignore the greater problem plaguing black lives.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:29 am to
What qualifies as a "rampage" in that graph?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216446 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:29 am to
quote:

Show me a white mass murder who wasn't off his rocker.



I would say ALL mass murderers are off their rocker............... White , black,green,yellow...No matter skin color.... This is a terrible event and should be treated that way... Lets get this nut and put him away.... However this will most likely end up in a shootout or him taking his own life..............
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476284 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:29 am to
quote:

no one is going to disagree with you

and therein lies the rub

no poster in this thread is claiming this kid shouldn't be punished, EVEN WITH a likely mental disease
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:29 am to
quote:

you say that as if white males are the only ones who suffer from mental issues.

That's always the excuse for white males committing hate crimes and things. The kid is a POS and needs to get the death penalty


You get an upvote. That's basically what I've been saying. White mass murders are never indicative of the state of the group as a whole. They are never described or perceived to be. How can we pathologize minorities in similar acts but essentially give white males the benefit of the doubt?

It's as if that inner city thug that shoots up a birthday party couldn't be undiagnosised maniac or severely depressed, especially considering black folks reluctance to seek and obtain mental health.

Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:30 am to
Could you turn those numbers into % of population and repost your stats? Thanks.
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