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re: CHS Sr. committed suicide tonight
Posted on 1/11/20 at 10:58 am to financetiger
Posted on 1/11/20 at 10:58 am to financetiger
Never had suicides growing up in the 80's. Seem more common now. A kid at my son's High School took his own life last year. Good kid. Popular. In the band. Brother went to school there too. Sometimes you just never know what demons people are fighting in their own head.
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Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:01 am to tigerinthebueche
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I don’t think it’s easy at all. And I don’t mean to be insensitive. But I don’t know what more “we” can do to help people. We have counselors, ministers, volunteers, help lines, hot lines, support groups, FB pages, advocacy groups, a multi billion dollar industry,etc dedicated to mental health. We are so sensitive to mental health that we have boys dressing as girls, girls who think they are boys and a homeless population we allow to shite in the street cause we have to be aware of and sensitive to “mental health” without hurting their feelings. I honestly don’t know what more we as a society can do to let these troubled souls know there is someone there for them. Thus my response. I don’t feel you can say society needs to do more. Some people just can’t be helped.
Talk, but hold them accountable. We have lost accountability in our society.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:05 am to liz18lsu
A wise old man once told me, depression kills more people than all other ills combined, it may not be the final straw but it’s usually the root cause...
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:06 am to YNWA
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CHS Sr. committed suicide tonight by YNWA
Never had suicides growing up in the 80's
Uh yes, yes we did.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:07 am to choupiquesushi
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wise
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depression
Indeed
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:07 am to tigerinthebueche
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WTF? What more do you want “we” to do? Holy shite sis, if you don’t feel like you can talk about whatever your problem is I don’t know what to tell you?
We’ve got more programs and people wanting
To help than ever before. If people don’t feel comfortable discussing their issues, that’s a personal problem, not the community.
Some people just can’t be reached.
You are a fricking moron.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:08 am to YNWA
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Never had suicides growing up in the 80's. Seem more common now. A kid at my son's High School took his own life last year. Good kid. Popular. In the band. Brother went to school there too. Sometimes you just never know what demons people are fighting in their own head.
I knew one kind d who did. We tried to include him in everything to help, didn't work. He was in a very good foster home but his early childhood just screwed him up. He had a fascination with graphically going out, and that's how he went.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:08 am to OweO
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It's sad because you can't see mental illness and you truly have no idea what someone is dealing with.
If your family is sensitive enough it can be seen.
But most families have no idea how to handle bc of years of stigma and ignoring-pushing things under the rug.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:14 am to Ignignot
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If your family is sensitive enough it can be seen.
I think you are painting with a broad brush.
Unfortunately, I’ve been around several teenagers committing suicide in the last three years. All four situations were completely different and the explanations thrown out in this thread don’t cover all or, in some cases, any of them.
I don’t understand it but I do know that there is not one size fits all answer.
I do think there is a fine line between giving teenagers a positive outlet for their mental troubles and permitting them to dwell on negative thoughts which causes them to spiral.
But I can’t identify that line.
This post was edited on 1/11/20 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:22 am to Ignignot
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If your family is sensitive enough it can be seen.
Some people give off absolutely nothing. Of course parents hindight makes them see things but every kid has some issues. It's really hard to spot some people who are contemplating suicide. Sometimes it's one event that pushes them over the edge.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:29 am to RadarTiger
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He was by no means “emo.” He was a fairly popular guy but I guess nobody was really close to him. When I say this guy was the nicest person ever, I freaking mean it. He was an incredible person. Just very random.
We weren't referring to this kid specifically. I didn't know him. I feel for his family though.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Some people give off absolutely nothing. Of course parents hindight makes them see things but every kid has some issues. It's really hard to spot some people who are contemplating suicide. Sometimes it's one event that pushes them over the edge.
With my sister she struggled with depression for a very long time and had attempted suicide multiple times (I found this out after her death, which still bothers me but that's a story for another day). She had a lot of past relationships that were awful, i.e. restraining orders, stalking, saving a BF that tried to commit suicide etc. She finally finally found an amazing man and they had plans to marry and start a family. The night she took her life an ex contacted her and as soon as she hung up with him it was done. I am in no way blaming him, although I did for a long time, but I truly feel like she felt she was unable to escape the bad even with so much good happening around her.
From what everyone could see, she was doing much better but that one event was too much. So I agree with you that can happen.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 11:56 am to Antonio Moss
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I do think there is a fine line between giving teenagers a positive outlet for their mental troubles and permitting them to dwell on negative thoughts which causes them to spiral.
The most current theory about the manifestation and continuation of depression that I'm aware of is that your brain develops pathways/shortcuts between neurons, and that as the brain repeats these pathways, they become further entrenched. Your brain teaches itself to think in negative patterns.
This is why CBT is such a popular treatment method - acknowledging your cognitive delusions, voicing them, and retraining your brain to think differently.
I worry we are spending too much time validating the feelings of troubled young people, and not giving them the outlets to change the problems they're voicing.
You can feel as free to say "I'm depressed" as you want with zero stigma (some fricked up corners of society will celebrate you for your victimhood), but if all you're doing is scrolling through Instagram every free second 14 hours a day, you aren't doing anything to change your situation.
Where are teens getting regular exercise? Where are they getting healthy food? Where is their time away from the internet and maintaining the exhausting facade of a digital life?
Posted on 1/11/20 at 12:04 pm to CitizenK
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Fact is that there were no signs this was going on in each's head. All seemed to have the world by the tail.
My cousin offed herself. She had a good job, 3 kids, nice house, etc. No one would have known she was depressed.
Ga Tech recruit threw himself in front of a train about a month ago. Kid had good grades and tweeted that he was excited to be going to ATL.
Many troubled people hide it well.
Prayers to the family and friends of the CHS student and any family dealing with this type of loss.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 12:07 pm to Volt
I love your well written response. I agree with you.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 12:32 pm to Muthsera
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This is why CBT is such a popular treatment method - acknowledging your cognitive delusions, voicing them, and retraining your brain to think differently.
I worry we are spending too much time validating the feelings of troubled young people, and not giving them the outlets to change the problems they're voicing.
You can feel as free to say "I'm depressed" as you want with zero stigma (some fricked up corners of society will celebrate you for your victimhood), but if all you're doing is scrolling through Instagram every free second 14 hours a day, you aren't doing anything to change your situation.
Where are teens getting regular exercise? Where are they getting healthy food? Where is their time away from the internet and maintaining the exhausting facade of a digital life?
Exactly. We divorce ourselves from the things that once grounded us and feel pressure to be perfect. We try to take a pill in some form or another to fix the problem.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy has shown to be more effective than anti-depressants when adjusted for the placebo effect. Studies have also shown that those who grow up in a religious household are less likely to commit suicide - obviously that doesn't mean that religious people don't commit suicide.
We don't take the time to replace short term dopamine hits (Social media, online forums, porn) with more healthy bonds and activities that don't produce an instant reward.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 12:33 pm to financetiger
My son goes to CHS and knew the boy that died. He was a very nice young man and this is a horrible tragedy. It is heartbreaking.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 1:23 pm to CivilTiger83
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Studies have also shown that those who grow up in a religious household are less likely to commit suicide - obviously that doesn't mean that religious people don't commit suicide.
My personal thoughts on this is that spiritual beliefs help you to have HOPE for better days or external life, or whatever your personal beliefs hold. I'm a Christian and I don't want to get too much into the role God plays in the process, but I think the biggest thing is HOPE. In the mind of the depressed and suicidal, without hope and an ending in sight, there is no reason to go on and just exist in the misery.
There is a great book on the subject called Suicidal: Why Do We Kill Ourselves?
It's a somewhat disturbing read but very insightful into the subject of suicide and the trends that it follows.
Posted on 1/11/20 at 1:29 pm to fallguy_1978
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It's a fairly wealthy Catholic private school in BR
The majority of kids that go there are middle class. They do have some wealthy kids just like every other private school. Episcopal a d Dunham would be the school where wealthy kids go
Posted on 1/11/20 at 2:00 pm to financetiger
You want a sobering dose of reality?
Go to Faces of Suicide
Children as young as 10 on that page. Heartbreaking page to look at. A lot of 12-20 year olds.
Go to Faces of Suicide
Children as young as 10 on that page. Heartbreaking page to look at. A lot of 12-20 year olds.
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