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re: Chronic Kidney Stones
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:40 pm to TigerDD3
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:40 pm to TigerDD3
Ask your urologist about hydrochlorothiazide. A medicine commonly used for lowering blood pressure, but also works to help prevent calcium stones. If urologist won’t prescribe it, go see a nephrologist. I had stones every year and a half for 8 years. Nephrologist put me on 12.5 mgl of the stuff and I haven’t had one since. Really a godsend medicine.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:47 pm to TigerDD3
Same problem.. started around 20-21 and comes in waves. I’ll have a year where I’m passing (or not passing and having to have surgery) stones and then I’ll get 6 months to a year with none and then it will happen again. I’m 30 now and it’s been about 6 months since the last one. I don’t drink soft drinks, not partaking in a high Ca diet.. only thing I can think of is my BP is pretty low and may be causing it.
In the kidney your nephrons are responsible for filtering the “waste” from your blood stream. There are two types, but I don’t want to make this more complicated so let’s just go with it. You have an arteriole going in and an arteriole going out (afferent and efferent) of each nephron. The blood goes into something called a Bowman’s capsule where our filtration happens in the glomerulous (stay with me) and basically is filtered in the capsule and then the crap (solutes, plasma etc) goes on to the loop of henle to further filter solutes and reabsorb water. In people with chronically high blood pressure the pressure going into that capsule (afferent arteriole) is too high and basically damages that blood supply.. no blood means no oxygen and now you say bye bye nephrons, hello dialysis...
So suppose the pressure going in is too low.. maybe not quite high enough to push that filtrate out.. not enough hydrostatic pressure. If there isn’t enough pressure to get that “waste” filtered and where it should be then what does it do? Maybe becomes more and more concentrated and then hello kidney stone?!?
*to all of my fellow medical professionals, please do not judge my oversimplification of a complex process*
Anyways, it’s just a therory..
In the kidney your nephrons are responsible for filtering the “waste” from your blood stream. There are two types, but I don’t want to make this more complicated so let’s just go with it. You have an arteriole going in and an arteriole going out (afferent and efferent) of each nephron. The blood goes into something called a Bowman’s capsule where our filtration happens in the glomerulous (stay with me) and basically is filtered in the capsule and then the crap (solutes, plasma etc) goes on to the loop of henle to further filter solutes and reabsorb water. In people with chronically high blood pressure the pressure going into that capsule (afferent arteriole) is too high and basically damages that blood supply.. no blood means no oxygen and now you say bye bye nephrons, hello dialysis...
So suppose the pressure going in is too low.. maybe not quite high enough to push that filtrate out.. not enough hydrostatic pressure. If there isn’t enough pressure to get that “waste” filtered and where it should be then what does it do? Maybe becomes more and more concentrated and then hello kidney stone?!?
*to all of my fellow medical professionals, please do not judge my oversimplification of a complex process*
Anyways, it’s just a therory..
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:49 pm to TigerDD3
Dehydration.. I just cured you. Push fluids.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:52 pm to CelticDog
CD where do u get old school coke ? Or you talkin the new original Coke?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:53 pm to CelticDog
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Boil can of asparagus in old style coca cola. 15 minutes low heat. Eat. Drink.
Might prefer the kidney stone.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:55 pm to Deactived
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dont drink tea, sports/energy drinks, colas
dont eat nuts
dont eat a bunch of red meat
Then what’s the point of living
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:56 pm to TigerDD3
Got number 3 last March. And exactly a year before was number 2. Doctor told me to limit my salt intake and stay hydrated. Problem is I do a lot of endurance training and even take electrolyte and salt tablets. Needless to say though, after number 3, I try to drink a min 60-80oz a day and watch the sodium intake which is very hard to avoid. As hard as high fructose corn syrup.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:00 pm to Cdawg
Obviously you don't always need salt tablets.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:18 pm to TigerDD3
I've had at least 20 of them over the years and finally got my urologist to send them to a lab for analysis and found out they were caused by the same thing that causes gout in some people, uric acid. He gave me a prescription for Allopurinol and that was 2 years ago and I've only had 1 small one since then.
The biggest one I passed was 4mm wide by 7mm long and it hurt like hell. I still have it saved in an old RX bottle along with about 5 others just for a reminder to take my pills.
Worst pain I've ever experienced when they are big and traveling through your urinary tract.
The biggest one I passed was 4mm wide by 7mm long and it hurt like hell. I still have it saved in an old RX bottle along with about 5 others just for a reminder to take my pills.
Worst pain I've ever experienced when they are big and traveling through your urinary tract.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:25 pm to Deactived
Yes Jones... I got to Dr. Bass in Alexandria. He's an LSU grad!! 
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:29 pm to TigerDD3
Make sure they check your parathyroid/calcium ratio, which I’m sure they have...
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:33 pm to TigerDD3
I got a kidney stone about 2.5 years ago. The last few weeks I’ll wake up with lower back pain that goes away almost immediately after peeing. I can’t tell if it’s kidney related and urinating relieves the pain or it’s just basic back pain and walking around for a few seconds on the way to the bathroom loosens up my back and makes it feel better.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:51 pm to TigerDD3
Got a terrible on in Memphis in 2014. I left early for work because I thought I was having back spasms and needed to stretch out. Every bump I hit in that truck on the way home felt like I was being stabbed. I went home, got upstairs, and crawled into bed.
Then it got so much worse, and the pain moved around the side. At that point I knew I needed a hospital but I didn’t know if I could get back down stairs.
Lucky for me it was my wife’s day off and when the pain temporarily subsided, she drove me to Germantown Methodist. They gave me some nice drugs. My wife took me home just in time for a tornado outbreak. High as a kite, I called everyone I knew and played on my twitter account during the storms. Pain went away after 36 hours and I had to delete my Twitter.
About 6 months later I was in Istanbul by myself on business and the familiar pain started in the middle of the night. I wasn’t about to go to the hospital in a foreign country when I didn’t speak the language. I just laid there and passed out for a while. It eventually passed. I took Flowmax, which helps a little.
I had a third much more minor one in a Mariott in Minneapolis. It hurt but nothing like before.
I’m probably due for another one. My worst nightmare is to have one on a plane.
Then it got so much worse, and the pain moved around the side. At that point I knew I needed a hospital but I didn’t know if I could get back down stairs.
Lucky for me it was my wife’s day off and when the pain temporarily subsided, she drove me to Germantown Methodist. They gave me some nice drugs. My wife took me home just in time for a tornado outbreak. High as a kite, I called everyone I knew and played on my twitter account during the storms. Pain went away after 36 hours and I had to delete my Twitter.
About 6 months later I was in Istanbul by myself on business and the familiar pain started in the middle of the night. I wasn’t about to go to the hospital in a foreign country when I didn’t speak the language. I just laid there and passed out for a while. It eventually passed. I took Flowmax, which helps a little.
I had a third much more minor one in a Mariott in Minneapolis. It hurt but nothing like before.
I’m probably due for another one. My worst nightmare is to have one on a plane.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 3:35 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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As mine are calcium based I dramatically reduced dairy and increased water intake. I'm also taking a variant of vitamin K. (K2)
What if it's the oxalates and has nothing to do with calcium intake?
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 4:26 am
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:42 am to TigerDD3
You and I have same problem. I get them in summer too. You’re dehydrating. You want to keep your urine as clear as water. As for the other tricks, I’ve been drinking a couple cokes a week and eating a bunch of asparagus. Not sure if works, but I know the phos acid in coke will eat up anything and the asparagus makes my pee smell funny so it effecting something in the system. Same for the citric acid in lemon. If all else fails, drink a shite ton of Coors light.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:53 am to CelticDog
quote:WTF
1. You can melt them by eating asparagus that was cooked 15 minutes in old recipe coca cola. Drink the remaining coke.
EDIT: I'm not saying this doesn't work as I have no knowledge on the subject. Its just the idea of this made me laugh. It could very well work and good riddance to those who have dealt with this. My uncle through marriage dealt with this pretty severely, so I know how much it debilitates you.
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 5:57 am
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:27 am to dewster
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Then it got so much worse, and the pain moved around the side.
This right here. I've been in agony lately. The worst pain that I can ever remember. I drink a couple of energy drinks a day. I have to get some relief.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:30 am to TigerDD3
I have had 6 or 7 of them over the past 4 years. I know how you feel. They fricking suck. Like you, I drink very few sodas and only a few cups of coffee a week. Mostly water and tequila.
I personally dont think it has anything to do with your diet. Mostly hereditary. My father had them as well.
I personally dont think it has anything to do with your diet. Mostly hereditary. My father had them as well.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:43 am to TigerDD3
I’ve had calcium oxalate stones. I had a urologist (not my treating) tell me to drink a can of diet Mountain Dew every day. He said there is a chemical compound in there that dissolves that type of stone and prevents them from forming. It sounded like counterintuitive advice to me as I figured Mountain Dew would be at top of list for things to form stones. This guy was faculty at a really good medical school.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 7:19 am to TigerDD3
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Chronic Kidney Stones
Same here.
Went several year where I averaged 1+ per month.
Tried all the suggestions, never really saw an improvement.
Numbers have greatly reduced by doing the following:
1. Morning - drink water
2. Lunch - drink water
3. Supper - drink water
4. Before bed - drink water
5. When I wake up to take a leak - drink water
6. Between meals - drink water
I have also gone to drinking bottled water almost exclusively. It used to make me mad whenever a doctor or one of the multiple specialists would suggest drinking water as I would say I was drinking alot of water...there has to be something else. However, I now believe that "alot of water" is a relative term and people like us just have to keep increasing the amounts we drink and make it a routine part of the 24 hour cycle.
My family also has a history, genetics is big. I also wonder if my local water may have played a small part in it? (dont know...just grasping at straws)
But whether it is diet or genetics I finally realized it is simple:
1. My body was not flushing the oxilates out of my kidneys adequately,
and to change this
2. My body needed much more water, constantly through out the day to prevent them from settling within the kidneys
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