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re: Chiropractor kills Playboy model

Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:50 am to
Posted by LSUbacchus
Portland, Oregon
Member since Jul 2012
1860 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:50 am to
Then why do PTs and osteopaths adjust people if it does not work. Also, pain medications and various prescriptions are handed out like candy don't have any complications or side effects. They cause far
more problems and have a far greater impact on health issues than a couple predisposed stroke victims do.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25350 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:12 am to
Adjustments and manipulation are useful in treating pain, and dysfunction. But they both have limitations in application and effect based on diagnosis and skill of the provider.

Hammers are also useful for nailing in finishing nails in trim molding too. Swinging the hammer to hard or recklessly will damage the molding and the wall. Swinging the hammer at a screw will break the screw.


Posted by IvanCCCP
U.S.A.
Member since Oct 2016
698 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:29 am to
100,000 people die each year from prescription drugs. I like my chances getting adjusted.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
17047 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:38 am to
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When are people going to learn that Chiros aren't real doctors?


oh, do doctors not kill people? or are real doctors the 3rd leading cause of death in the US
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 1:50 am
Posted by JombieZombie
Member since Nov 2009
7687 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:40 am to
In no way is this shite beneficial to your health.

It's the same thing as a massage therapist trying to tell you that they're releasing 'toxins' from your body.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68233 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:59 am to
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oh, do doctors not kill people? or are real doctors the 3rd leading cause of death in the US


that's an unfair strawman. im not saying that DCs are more likely to kill you because they aren't real doctors. what happened to the girl in OP is a freak accident. she was simply getting a glorified massage and something went wrong

Chiropractic theory is a sham and should be called out as such.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 2:01 am
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
17047 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:07 am to
I disagree and I'd like to know the basis for your opinion.

I have never been adjusted or otherwise treated by a DC, but many have with good results. They also have helped our horses over the years.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:07 am to
I've never been to one, I'd like to give acupuncture a go though.

Or find an Asian massage establishment. Female employees. 18-30.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25350 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:16 am to
Manual therapies often called adjustments or manipulations and perormed by osteopathic physicians, chiropractors, and physical therapists do have studied and verified health benefits and relatively low risk. However, like I have said multiple times in this thread they must be prescribed for correctly diagnosed conditions and performed correctlg and accurately for the above assertions to be true.


In my experience chiropracters often fail to properly diagnose, and overtreat with manupulation for a maximum financial benefit period.

Osteopaths often underutilize their skills as OMT does not reimburse well and is costly timewise For a busy physician to perform correctly.

PT utiluze manipulation in coordination with stretches and exercise dependent on their partivular training and confidence.



Of the above 3 the one with the most complete education in human anatomy and physiolgy is the osteopathic physician, by far.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68233 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:21 am to
quote:

I disagree and I'd like to know the basis for your opinion.


the entire practice is based on pseudoscientific garbage. look up Vertebral Subluxation and get a chuckle or two

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but many have with good results


they walk away feeling good immediately after leaving, so recency bias takes over and they assume that the massage they got really did something.

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hey also have helped our horses over the years.


i dont know much about equine chiropractic, other than that my sister's horses have gotten treated. their spinal physiology is totally different and vets may be able to fix a cold back or something
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 2:23 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37671 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 4:46 am to
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100,000 people die each year from prescription drugs



That is true. Some of those are cases of abuse by the people taking them and some of them are cases of bad drug interactions or inappropriate prescription by the doctor responsible for care. Whatever the case, 100,000 is a lot, but a tiny fraction of the number of people taking prescription drugs total (which is somewhere between 50 and 70% of the American population).

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I like my chances getting adjusted.


Of not dying? That's probably a true statement. But the evidence that it helps is inconsistent and sometimes absent (depending on the intended purpose of manipulation). And the potential for harm is obviously present.

risk unclear but benefits absent
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20373 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 6:36 am to
Plaintiffs brought in a local Chiro, I refuse to call this back a Doctor, as an Expert Witness on a bullshite car wreck case. He tried to talk some big word medical stuff and the Judge shut his arse down hard. The idiot basically destroyed his own clients case and the Judge granted an Involuntary Dismissal mentioning the Chiros testimony in his decision. I was amazed that the guy got on the stand and spouted some of the bullshite he did.
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11967 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 6:52 am to


So..... since she has passed (God rest her soul), is it weird to.... ya know...
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48557 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 7:12 am to
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There are some out there who are MDs.


Never ran across any of those. They like being called doctor, though.
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 7:58 am to
I always thought that chiropractor schools were located in malls.

After researching I was wrong. Wouldn't let one work on me though.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:16 am to
quote:

When are people going to learn that Chiros aren't real doctors? Glorified massage therapists


It's actually kind of shocking, really.

This is an old Youtube video, and it shows it...but the information is sound and anyone that would consider going to a chiro after watching stuff like this is insane. Just shy of 10 mins long...

Chiropractic is based on a pseudoscientific belief in vitalism
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20645 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:23 am to
Ban doctors!
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
5983 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:31 am to
i go to my chiro for any small injury, nagging injury like pulled muscles, aching back, etc. before stepping foot in a hospital.

the doctors are the real quacks. They see you and give you pills and send you out the door. Next thing you know you have a 500 dollar bill and you still haven't fixed your issue.



Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68233 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

Plaintiffs brought in a local Chiro, I refuse to call this back a Doctor, as an Expert Witness on a bullshite car wreck case. He tried to talk some big word medical stuff and the Judge shut his arse down hard. The idiot basically destroyed his own clients case and the Judge granted an Involuntary Dismissal mentioning the Chiros testimony in his decision. I was amazed that the guy got on the stand and spouted some of the bullshite he did.


my dad has a similar story with one of his clients. said they won the case for him
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:16 pm to
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The word doctor isn't limited to physicians, you clown.




Yeah, but Chiropractors still aren't doctors. Their knowledge of the medical field is about on par with most PE teachers or massage therapists.
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