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re: Chinese bot farm found to be influencing Americans negatively on data centers
Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:54 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:54 pm to hawgfaninc
They are obvious on Facebook at least for anyone with average intelligence. Just stirring up all kinds of strife.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:56 pm to hawgfaninc
Lotsa bots in this thread.
Guard your Cokes fellas.
Guard your Cokes fellas.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:58 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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All renewables right?
Not sure if its all renewable, but at least a large portion of it is
Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:58 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I can walk it for exercise, I can play it, I can even fish the ponds on it.
Physical rewards.
So if you personally don't benefit, then you don't want it? It uses more resources than a data center. Is this your opinion of Space X in VP, or any one of the multitude of plants or adjacent industries?
I'm not 100% sold on data centers, but to pretend they are this great chasm on the land is not being genuine. Solar panels and wind turbines are more damaging, long term, to our countryside than a data center. (not that you are arguing for that)
FWIW, i fell for the "but what about all the water it needs" too, but once i learned they use a fraction of the water that the alarmists called for, i have my doubts about the other "terrors" of data centers that some people are calling out.
This post was edited on 8/28/26 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:59 pm to ShrimperDan
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Not sure if its all renewable, but at least a large portion of it is
It’s coal. The overwhelming majority of new electricity generated in China is coal.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:02 pm to BugAC
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So if you personally don't benefit, then you don't want it?
I never said I don’t want data centers. I want data centers, but I want data centers to use surface waters, not aquifers, and I want data centers to either generate their own electricity or pay producers market rates to expand capacity.
I’m also still very skeptical of just how these hundreds of billions of dollars of capital investment will ever be paid off and think we are witnessing a bubble the likes we haven’t seen since the tulip crisis in the Netherlands.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:04 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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but I want data centers to use surface waters, not aquifers
I agree with this.
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and I want data centers to either generate their own electricity or pay producers market rates to expand capacity.
I agree with this as well.
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I’m also still very skeptical of just how these hundreds of billions of dollars of capital investment will ever be paid off and think we are witnessing a bubble the likes we haven’t seen since the tulip crisis in the Netherlands.
I think a lot of the funding is speculation without anything actionable. The $50B meta center in Frankland parish, i have my doubts if it does come to fruition, it will amount to that price tag. But i am willing to concede i could be very wrong about this too.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:05 pm to BugAC
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FWIW, i fell for the "but what about all the water it needs" too, but once i learned they use a fraction of the water that the alarmists called for, i have my doubts about the other "terrors" of data centers that some people are calling out.
Most centers don’t even use evaporative cooling any longer, but are moving to direct contact cooling of the chips with glycol or non-conductive coolants.
However, their hydrostatic/pressure tests of all the piping will consume a very large amount of water up front, and because they need to flush and fill numerous times it can’t be ignored outright.
But I agree, the water demand isn’t as dyer as initially made out to be.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:30 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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It’s coal. The overwhelming majority of new electricity generated in China is coal.
You sure about that?
LINK
Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:40 pm to Odysseus32
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You quoted this as a reply to me. I never mentioned that.
You specifically didn't, but others who make your same argument have. It's usually the next follow up. So I addressed that before the next "whatabout!" luddite chimes in.
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I have no agenda here with data centers other than industrial noise is bad (empirically) and should be kept away from areas where humans reside.
Yet this argument is only being made for data centers. Odd isn't it?
Posted on 8/28/26 at 2:07 pm to Centinel
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Yet this argument is only being made for data centers. Odd isn't it?
what? Are you implying that NIMBYs only exist for data centers? Posted on 8/28/26 at 2:13 pm to hawgfaninc
Meta is running non-stop ads on TV tryna make us think data centers are the greatest. Both are full of shite.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 2:18 pm to forkedintheroad
Is a stupid person capable of realizing they’re stupid? I wonder that these days after seeing the same people fall for con after con and be arrogant about it.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 2:37 pm to hawgfaninc
I’m not worried. Most Americans can’t read English let alone Chinese.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 3:01 pm to Salmon
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what? Are you implying that NIMBYs only exist for data centers?
Where did I say that? We've always had NIMBY's. But what we haven't had is a massive social media campaign demonizing a specific industry while ignoring others doing the same, if not worse, things to the communities and environment.
Again, how very odd.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 4:07 pm to ShrimperDan
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quote: It’s coal. The overwhelming majority of new electricity generated in China is coal.
You sure about that? LINK
Your own website
Yeah, I’m pretty sure
Posted on 8/28/26 at 4:20 pm to Centinel
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But what we haven't had is a massive social media campaign demonizing a specific industry while ignoring others doing the same, if not worse, things to the communities and environment.
oil and gas? refineries? nuclear? mining? all have massive oppositions, mostly coordinated on social media
Data centers are just the new thing
You act as if there aren't massive oppositions when someone wants to build a new plant or refinery near residential areas, which is absurd
The post your replied to was directly concerning noise, several Parishes just passed new noise ordinances directly for O&G
None of this is specific to data centers as you keep implying
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Again, how very odd.
It isn't odd. At all.
This post was edited on 8/28/26 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 8/28/26 at 4:25 pm to Centinel
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Yet this argument is only being made for data centers. Odd isn't it?
I'm not really sure who or what you're fighting, but much to the chagrin on folks on this board, I do make this argument. I've specifically said I'd even like to see personal vehicles eliminated because the noise pollution and second order effects outweigh the benefits.
Posted on 8/28/26 at 5:20 pm to Salmon
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You act as if there aren't massive oppositions when someone wants to build a new plant or refinery near residential areas, which is absurd
There's local opposition. Not a nationwide effort.
If there's negative press on a refinery, it's limited to the local press, or state press at the most (and even that is rare).
Negative press on data centers is nationwide. It's not just "this specific data center, in this specific community, is impacting it this way and local residents are fighting against it" that you see with your refinery example.
It's "Datacenters are evil!" across the entire country.
To pretend there's not a difference is assinine.
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