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re: Chart of Texas electricity generation 2/4/21-2/17/21 by source
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:48 am to The Spleen
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:48 am to The Spleen
Agree, but gas plants were the main reason.
Failures across Texas’ natural gas operations and supply chains due to extreme temperatures are the most significant cause of the power crisis that has left millions of Texans without heat and electricity during the winter storm sweeping the U.S.
LINK to texas tribune
Failures across Texas’ natural gas operations and supply chains due to extreme temperatures are the most significant cause of the power crisis that has left millions of Texans without heat and electricity during the winter storm sweeping the U.S.
LINK to texas tribune
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:50 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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If Texas would have been more reliant on renewables it would have been an even bigger disaster.
How many times does it need to be said, renewables did not cause this disaster.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:51 am to Sao
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What pipeline are you referring to? Not the Keystone XL, right?
No. That transports crude oil not natural gas.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:51 am to LeClerc
If Texas had been more reliant on renewables, the blackouts would have started on the 10th and would still be going today. NG is what kept the lights on until the 15th.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:53 am to lostinbr
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Does ERCOT operate and maintain power plants?
I believe the answer is “no,”
They are the "regulators" in our deregulated environment. Per the CEO this morning, they asked the generators if the equipment was winterized, generators said yes, ERCOT left it at that. See none, hear none, speak none...
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 10:54 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:58 am to LeClerc
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How many times does it need to be said, renewables did not cause this disaster.
Regardless of whether this is true, they have proved themselves to be very unreliable. Had Texas been using more renewables, it would have been worse.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:01 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
That's not entirely true. If Texas is to rely more on renewables then they would need to winterize those assets. They didn't do that because they thought there would be no problems because of their reliance on NG. As it happens their NG supplies can't get where hey need to go because of the cold.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:01 am to tiggerthetooth
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No. That transports crude oil not natural gas.
Right. Which is why I asked him which pipeline he was referring to. His comment didn't make sense.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:01 am to SloaneRanger
The problem is you can't make the wind blow harder when demand increases.
You can supply more natural gas to meet demands if the system is built large enough.
Texas has by far the largest amount of wind energy generation in the country and it's a total non-factor in a needed situation. Even if they were "winterized" that doesn't mean you can get a larger output when you want.
You can supply more natural gas to meet demands if the system is built large enough.
Texas has by far the largest amount of wind energy generation in the country and it's a total non-factor in a needed situation. Even if they were "winterized" that doesn't mean you can get a larger output when you want.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:02 am to Sao
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Right. Which is why I asked him which pipeline he was referring to. His comment didn't make sense.
I am the person who made that comment. The left fights any fossil fuel infrastructure no matter what. They have a massive corporate activist industry built around it.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:03 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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If Texas would have been more reliant on renewables it would have been an even bigger disaster.
Based on the chart, the lack of winterization of renewables was the primary issue, followed by the lack winterization of the natural gas supply chain.
Granted that is how I am interpreting a chart that may not be entirely accurate as presented.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:03 am to LeClerc
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That's not entirely true. If Texas is to rely more on renewables then they would need to winterize those assets.
Winterizing wind turbines doesn't mean it's going to supply enough output to meet demand. The only thing winterizing would do is keep them going as normal.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:04 am to Sao
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How many times does it need to be said, renewables did not cause this disaster.
If I'm reading that chart right, the grid lost about 20,000 megawatts due to wind and solar failure.
Renewable energy is a waste.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:05 am to tiggerthetooth
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Texas has by far the largest amount of wind energy generation in the country and it's a total non-factor in a needed situation. Even if they were "winterized" that doesn't mean you can get a larger output when you want.
Turns out NG is a non-factor in a needed situation.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:05 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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If Texas had been more reliant on renewables, the blackouts would have started on the 10th and would still be going today. NG is what kept the lights on until the 15th.
Well, what's the natural gas infrastructure going to do now? Will it step up and fix their issues as well? Because let's face it. Every single piece of infrastructure shite the bed here. Nothing is working. Hell, not much is open period because the roads are a disaster.
Politicizing this event is retarded.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:06 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:06 am to MorbidTheClown
Why was renewable such a huge part of the picture on February 7-8 but basically 0 by today?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:06 am to LeClerc
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Turns out NG is a non-factor in a needed situation.
Well natural gas was at least able to increase output with demand to a point until it failed while renewables just failed period.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:07 am to Sao
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Politicizing this event is retarded.
Tell that to AOC. Apparently green energy doesn’t fail in extreme weather?
I don’t think it’s fair to expect Texas to salt and clear every road in a storm that might only happen once ever 25 years. But expecting them to keep the bulk of the electrical grid running in their major metros is fair.
For what they are charging for energy now, there is hopefully adequate incentive for providers to add heating elements to at least some wind turbines and retrofit some gas well heads to keep things flowing.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:08 am to GoT1de
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The price.
It costs more to build a new unit than can be repaid in the plants lifetime.
And the vast majority of that is due to regulations. Some are of course necessary, but there are many others that are still based off of 1950's era nuclear tech. But bring up nuclear regulatory review and the green proggy hoard will descend on you.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:16 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:09 am to tiggerthetooth
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I am the person who made that comment. The left fights any fossil fuel infrastructure no matter what. They have a massive corporate activist industry built around it.
What pipeline are you talking about then? There are millions of miles of it and the south is well lined.
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