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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:23 am to genuineLSUtiger
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Actually we are. Growing up in the 70’s and 80’s it seemed like their was a domestic airliner crash every other year.
Yeah well at least all the dead weren’t wearing pajamas
Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:38 am to Bobby OG Johnson
I'll be driving that stretch of I-75 next Thursday. Coulda been me.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:40 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Race and gender of the pilots???
AND vax status
Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:46 am to Bobby OG Johnson
lsunurse, get down there, treat the wounded, extract Liz and bring her to safety.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:49 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Because I’m admittedly ignorant of this, how hard would it be to essentially dive to maintain enough air speed for lift then land? Just treat it as a glider?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:55 am to brass2mouth
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Because I’m admittedly ignorant of this, how hard would it be to essentially dive to maintain enough air speed for lift then land? Just treat it as a glider?
I’d imagine you’d have to have a lot of altitude to make this happen. Sounds like they were pretty low when the engines failed.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:59 am to Bobby OG Johnson
DEI is such wonderful way to live.
We don't need no education, we have Brandon, Pelosi, and Waters.
We don't need no education, we have Brandon, Pelosi, and Waters.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:01 am to brass2mouth
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Because I’m admittedly ignorant of this, how hard would it be to essentially dive to maintain enough air speed for lift then land? Just treat it as a glider?
They were probably at about 2000 feet when they lost the engines. Not enough altitude to trade for airspeed or not enough airspeed to trade for altitude. It's all about managing your potential energy(altitude) for kenitic energy(airspeed) or vice versa. If you're already low and slow you're kinda fricked.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:35 am to Scuttle But
And not enough time to attempt a re-light. Will be interesting to see what caused this. The GE CF 34 engine family has millions of hours
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:54 am to Bobby OG Johnson
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The aircraft was on approach to Naples Airport, Florida (APF) when the flight radioed that they had lost both engines and were not able to make it to the runway.
$20 says fuel starvation. You actually have to have enough fuel to get from Point A to Point B.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:00 am to Jose Smith
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fuel starvation. You actually have to have enough fuel to get from Point A to Point B.
You can have a fuel starvation issue with 1500 gallons on board.
Fuel exhaustion and fuel starvation are two different things.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:03 am to Jose Smith
looks like a lot of fire for no fuel.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:07 am to RedFoxx
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You can have a fuel starvation issue with 1500 gallons on board.
Fuel exhaustion and fuel starvation are two different things.
Yes, but the odds of two turbine engines quitting at the same time are very high.
There are two separate fuel distribution systems on the Challenger 604.
Challenger 604 fuel system
EDIT: Maybe a DEF issue and the lines were clogged with ice?
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 11:12 am
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:06 pm to wileyjones
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like how he covered the tail number from everyone driving by looking at the flight track, looks like he was on final approach.. low altitude, flaps down, loss of one engine can kill you but two.. just isn't fair
That’s a Cessna 172. I’m learning to fly on one right now. It’s very stable and can glide a long ways.
I’ve actually simulated an engine failure and was amazed at how much time i had to safely set it down
Power off failure on final should get the Cessna on the airport property. That guy must have been cruising or lost engine while in the traffic pattern
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:11 pm to Jose Smith
In Naples, FL at ~2,000'?
When I first heard about the crash, I immediately though it was a fuel starvation situation. But after the reasonable big fireball, I'm thinking this could be some type of pilot error.
I know nothing about this particular type aircraft or how complicated the checklist maybe, but it seems like someone flipped the wrong switch.
When I first heard about the crash, I immediately though it was a fuel starvation situation. But after the reasonable big fireball, I'm thinking this could be some type of pilot error.
I know nothing about this particular type aircraft or how complicated the checklist maybe, but it seems like someone flipped the wrong switch.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:15 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Race and gender of the pilots???
And relationship to the Clintons?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:17 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
We think of it as a way to commute to work or visit Grandma's house but the interstate system was designed and built after WW2 with a military purpose in mind. It was thought that future wars might reach our shores and we needed a logistical footprint to accommodate that. As such there were rules regarding terrain and geometry including that a certain amount has to be suitable as a makeshift runway for planes.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:22 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:27 pm to RedFoxx
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Fuel exhaustion and fuel starvation are two different things.
Yeah, but I think they just ran out of gas. It's the most logical explanation.
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