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re: Challenger 604 Jet has crashed on I-75 near Naples Florida
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:36 pm to Scuttle But
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:36 pm to Scuttle But
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Yeah, but I think they just ran out of gas. It's the most logical explanation.
The crew would have known they were low and declared an emergency much earlier and gotten priority to Naples or another airport. Haven’t heard any reports they signaled distress until just before the crash and the flight track certainly doesn’t seem to indicate anything out of the ordinary.
Crew error doesn’t seem likely either - hard to mistakenly shut off both engines instead of lowering the gear or flaps.
My guess is a fuel system/contamination issue, but speculating at this point doesn’t do much good. NTSB should have plenty of data to review.
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:37 pm to Tigeralum2008
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That’s a Cessna 172
Close…its the smaller 152. (Maybe 150 if older version). You can tell because there is no window behind the door since its only a 2 seater with no rear seats.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:39 pm to Gus007
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DEI is such wonderful way to live.
Had nothing to do with this
Posted on 2/10/24 at 12:48 pm to Furbs311
quote:I thought this was an interesting post in the pprune thread:
Crew error doesn’t seem likely either - hard to mistakenly shut off both engines instead of lowering the gear or flaps.
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The teardrop to the left and then back around to the right appears to to shown here. Looks reasonable. Whatever happened, happened fast, and perhaps when exiting the turn and lining up with final. A time when power would be reduced after the turn. Just tickled my memory. I was PNF in BOS TCA IFR on approach to landing. Captain threw both AC master power and avionics (next to each other, non guarded) to off. This was out of the blue and for no reason. The entire panel and AC went dark. We obviously worked it out.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:01 pm to When in Rome
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I was PNF in BOS TCA IFR on approach to landing. Captain threw both AC master power and avionics (next to each other, non guarded) to off.
I’m not a pilot, but it seems crazy to me that anything that can kill power/avionics would be tied to an unguarded switch.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:08 pm to Zakatak
Whoopsie
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:09 pm to lostinbr
Bird strike seems more likely I guess, but doesn’t it seem like they would have mentioned that?
Also for pilots…it seemed like they declared an emergency by just saying they had an emergency, I’m curious why they didn’t say “mayday”?
Also for pilots…it seemed like they declared an emergency by just saying they had an emergency, I’m curious why they didn’t say “mayday”?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:12 pm to When in Rome
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Also for pilots…it seemed like they declared an emergency by just saying they had an emergency, I’m curious why they didn’t say “mayday”?
Aviate. Navigate. Communicate.
In that order.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:15 pm to RedFoxx
Definitely get that. Didn’t know if there was a different set of lines for private vs commercial etc.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:18 pm to When in Rome
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Definitely get that. Didn’t know if there was a different set of lines for private vs commercial etc.
There isn’t. The crew’s main focus and priority was getting that plane somewhere they could attempt an off-field landing.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:19 pm to RedFoxx
Makes sense! Do you think it was a bird strike?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:21 pm to When in Rome
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Do you think it was a bird strike?
It could be a possibility. But there probably would have been a comment of some kind on the voice recording or at minimum the sound of birds hitting the plane.
To take out both engines you’d have to hit a flock of birds.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:24 pm to When in Rome
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Also for pilots…it seemed like they declared an emergency by just saying they had an emergency, I’m curious why they didn’t say “mayday”?
I'd be shocked if you could count on more the one hand the amount of times pilots have actually used the word mayday during an emergency.
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:27 pm to ChiTownBammer
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First a bank robber with a bomb threat gets greased by a SWAT sniper on Tuesday.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 2/10/24 at 1:32 pm to Scuttle But
How about pan pan?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 2:06 pm to Scuttle But
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I'd be shocked if you could count on more the one hand the amount of times pilots have actually used the word mayday during an emergency.
Is it more of a marine thing, where you’re actually making a distress call and requesting assistance?
In a case like this it seems like there’s not much that ATC can do to help them anyway, other than clearing a runway (which they couldn’t reach). Seems a bit different than a vessel calling for assistance. Not sure if I’m thinking about that correctly.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 2:38 pm to LegendInMyMind
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We aren't exactly living during the golden age of aviation, are we?
Well, as far as Boeing is concerned what happens when bean counters have the say and not engineers.
Isn’t that the same Challenger model that George Straight owns?
This is just a tragedy all around. None of the ppl on the Jet or the car deserved this.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:46 pm to lostinbr
I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure pilots are trained to call mayday in an emergency and that sort of helps air traffic know to stay away etc.
But yeah I’m sure I’m practice they’re not thinking about protocols when the shite is really hitting the fan
But yeah I’m sure I’m practice they’re not thinking about protocols when the shite is really hitting the fan
Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:48 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:51 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Supposed to be good planes, WTF? Too engine both went out same time ….
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