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re: CEO responds to 'painful' video of employee who went viral after being fired
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:48 am to Will Cover
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:48 am to Will Cover
She's 100% young and naive and recording and posting on social media is a questionable decision at best.
But the number of people I saw on social media going off on her and completely absolving the corporation was hilarious. frick that company.
If you're firing someone, sure HR can be there and lead the way, but have someone that can speak to the reason. She claimed her reviews are all good. If so, she has a point but since that can't be proven, I won't focus on that. But even if she had shite reviews, she asked HR multiple times for a reason, and they just gave her the run around.
This is a perfect example of why you shouldn't show loyalty to any company you work for without them having gone out of their way to show you the same loyalty first and also pay you for said loyalty.
But the number of people I saw on social media going off on her and completely absolving the corporation was hilarious. frick that company.
If you're firing someone, sure HR can be there and lead the way, but have someone that can speak to the reason. She claimed her reviews are all good. If so, she has a point but since that can't be proven, I won't focus on that. But even if she had shite reviews, she asked HR multiple times for a reason, and they just gave her the run around.
This is a perfect example of why you shouldn't show loyalty to any company you work for without them having gone out of their way to show you the same loyalty first and also pay you for said loyalty.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 9:48 am
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:52 am to Will Cover
From what I gather this is part of a large rounds of layoffs. They didn’t say she didn’t meet sales quotas. And all her peers were let go too.
The company just doesn’t want to pay unemployment.
The company just doesn’t want to pay unemployment.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:52 am to Benne Wafer
Idk, the whole thing stinks.
I am a sales engineer and I see new outside sales hires get up to a year or so to get their pipeline going if they can prove they're hustling (cold calling, feet on the street, knocking on doors, etc) and slowly building it.
Cloudflare apparently trained her for 3 months, then gave her the worst possible month alone and is letting her go with no indicators from her manager. It's not passing the sniff test.
The kicker is cloudflare also recently laid off ~12% of sales employees and it wouldn't surprise me if this was their tactic to avoid severance pay and shite.
I am a sales engineer and I see new outside sales hires get up to a year or so to get their pipeline going if they can prove they're hustling (cold calling, feet on the street, knocking on doors, etc) and slowly building it.
Cloudflare apparently trained her for 3 months, then gave her the worst possible month alone and is letting her go with no indicators from her manager. It's not passing the sniff test.
The kicker is cloudflare also recently laid off ~12% of sales employees and it wouldn't surprise me if this was their tactic to avoid severance pay and shite.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:54 am to shel311
yeah. it's "frick her" which is fine I guess but then the company/HR/her manager gets a pass. They both fricked up
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:55 am to Will Cover
The firing was a large RIF and HR should have just said that and moved on...no need for manager to be present in a RIF
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:56 am to Hulkklogan
quote:That's my guess too, but yet folks are still shilling for this company.
The kicker is cloudflare also recently laid off ~12% of sales employees and it wouldn't surprise me if this was their tactic to avoid severance pay and shite.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:57 am to Will Cover
I have been part of outsourcing/downsizing moves a few times during my career. I always end up somewhere better with a nice severance payment to boot. It taught me early on that a company doesn’t have loyalty to their workforce and sometimes the highest performers who sacrificed a ton for the company are let go if it makes financial sense.
The first time our department was outsourced, we found out via a conference call and a concurrent email with severance info. The severance document had a virus that infected other documents like resumes that were sent to potential employers. That was fun.
The worst mass firing story I’ve heard was a company announced a big team outing to watch a movie and dinner after. Workers were given the choice of 2 different movies. People who were going to be let go went to one film regardless of which one they chose. If they selected the wrong film, they were told there wasn’t room left for that meeting and they had to go to the other movie. Once they were in the theater, an HR guy told them they were let go and to go home.
The first time our department was outsourced, we found out via a conference call and a concurrent email with severance info. The severance document had a virus that infected other documents like resumes that were sent to potential employers. That was fun.
The worst mass firing story I’ve heard was a company announced a big team outing to watch a movie and dinner after. Workers were given the choice of 2 different movies. People who were going to be let go went to one film regardless of which one they chose. If they selected the wrong film, they were told there wasn’t room left for that meeting and they had to go to the other movie. Once they were in the theater, an HR guy told them they were let go and to go home.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:57 am to hubreb
quote:True
The firing was a large RIF and HR should have just said that and moved on...no need for manager to be present in a RIF
As it was stated, seems like they're trying to skirt around having to give her severance so they can save a few bucks.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:24 am to Kingshakabooboo
quote:
frick that…if all you Gen Z’ers refuse to come work in office and demand working remotely then you better be ok with getting fired remotely when you are underperforming your job.
Gen Z?
I’m a Gen X whose been at the same job for 34 years…
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:33 am to Will Cover
quote:
Every person I have ever let go had a good idea of what was coming,
If they have no idea that it might be coming, it hasn't been handled right all along. There are steps leading to termination.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:40 am to Hangover Haven
I did my best coup of all time. Had a employee tell me by email, that he was not going to do his job anymore. Too much stress. HR called me ...."President and VP have called because he copied them too. Their message to me. "Your staff, your decision." I had his email in hand ......last paragraph dictated the result. He finished by saying "If you don't meet my demand. I'll retire." Looked up at HR and said ...."Best damned retirement letter I ever read."
Called a meeting with the staff. Ten minutes later, HR in the room. He was standing there. "I want to announce that Mike has decided to retire. In 30 days"
Screw with me ......
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:46 am to Will Cover
My main issue is that 3 months is not enough time to know if someone can do the job unless you are constantly hiring in groups and only retaining those that catch on quickest. Thats a shitty way to treat employees unless its known upfront by all new hires.
If its known that the company is hiring 30 new sales people but on average only keep 10 after a 3 month evaluation then thats fair. But if they are hiring 30 new sales people and telling them they have a full time position then firing them 3 months down the line then thats kind of BS. I know that a decent amount of employees would not accept the job if they know that being let go in 3 months is likely.
If its known that the company is hiring 30 new sales people but on average only keep 10 after a 3 month evaluation then thats fair. But if they are hiring 30 new sales people and telling them they have a full time position then firing them 3 months down the line then thats kind of BS. I know that a decent amount of employees would not accept the job if they know that being let go in 3 months is likely.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:55 am to Hulkklogan
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I am a sales engineer and I see new outside sales hires get up to a year or so to get their pipeline going if they can prove they're hustling (cold calling, feet on the street, knocking on doors, etc) and slowly building it.
Yeah, the whole firing after one quarter is brutal. Either she sucked or despite her work, some bullshite analytics showed the company that she was a lost cause.
Can’t imagine taking a job for a company like that knowing your leash is that short from the start. Especially in Q4 which can be tricky to navigate at times. Now if the record shows that she’s just a shitty employee, then I get it. But if you worked hard and just had poor luck closing right out of the gate, then frick them.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:57 am to FairhopeTider
Is December a good month or bad month for sales in that industry? (not necessarily directed at you)
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:03 am to GreatLakesTiger24
No clue. I know a lot of companies put the throttle down in December because they know it can be slow and they want to set things up for a fast start in January.
But getting people to commit to anything in late Nov and Dec is a chore. That’s why the whole “circle back after the holidays” meme is a thing.
Not making excuses for her, but judging a first time sales person entirely on how they perform in Q4 is tough. They must have a very short sales cycle for their product.
But getting people to commit to anything in late Nov and Dec is a chore. That’s why the whole “circle back after the holidays” meme is a thing.
Not making excuses for her, but judging a first time sales person entirely on how they perform in Q4 is tough. They must have a very short sales cycle for their product.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:05 am to FairhopeTider
quote:I still can't believe the HR drone actually said "circle back" in that video
“circle back after the holidays”
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:08 am to GreatLakesTiger24
They can’t help themselves. Probably sends a generic e-card to co-workers who fill out their Salesforce reports correctly.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:08 am to Will Cover
This way of cutting people has been around a while...
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:14 am to Hangover Haven
quote:Probably an employee that works remotely. I’d be more pissed about getting fired if I had a WFH job and my boss made me report in to the office one day for the sole purpose of firing me in person. If you don’t come into the office any other times, it’d be pretty insulting to make someone come in just to tell them they’re fired
She got fired over a Zoom meeting….. Holy shite, what a coward thing to do. If you’re going to fire someone, at least have the balls to do it to their face
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:16 am to Will Cover
I would be be upset too if all I was getting was positive feedback from her direct boss only to be fired with no chance to improve on my shortfalls. Sounds like a shite way to develop a good team.
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