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CEO responds to 'painful' video of employee who went viral after being fired

Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:56 am
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38531 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:56 am
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You can tell that she is young, and naive. When that call was scheduled, the meeting was already predetermined. The outcome had already been made. She was just waiting to be informed.

But getting fired by someone other than her manager is completely shite policy by her former employer.

The HR people should have had all the data ready for her, since they were the ones who set the date/time for the meeting.

Maybe her manager was not transparent or honest with her and at the very least, he/she should have been present on the call, although it should not come as a "surprise" to her.

This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 7:01 am
Posted by WuShock
Metairie
Member since Aug 2018
1313 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:00 am to
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But getting fired by someone other than her manager is completely shite policy by her former employer.

This is 100% the standard in most industries. HR is supposed to be trained to ensure they don’t say anything that can hurt the company, and this one did a poor job. It’s usually cleaner if you have the HR person handle all of the talking in a meeting like this.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
26468 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:02 am to
She got fired over a Zoom meeting….. Holy shite, what a coward thing to do. If you’re going to fire someone, at least have the balls to do it to their face. Typical, the HR guy sounded a little light in his loafers.. This country has gotten so soft…

Frick, they probably did her a favor..

One of my ex’s dad was laid off at the airport, I asked him why the airport, he said because it’s hard to get a gun in…. This was before 9-11 and TSA…

At least he was laid off in person.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 7:23 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19160 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:04 am to
I’ve always done it with HR in the room (of course), but I do most of the speaking. If I’m going to fire someone, I really need to look them in the eye and say it.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39148 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:05 am to
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She got fired over a Zoom meeting….. Holy shite, what a coward thing to do

My daughter is in HR for a West Coast IT company, and almost everyone they let go are over videoconferencing. You are dealing with people who hardly ever come into the office and sometimes live in other states.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38531 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:05 am to
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It’s usually cleaner if you have the HR person handle all of the talking in a meeting like this.


While it may be "standard," it doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do.

I can say that I have worked for some very large companies, and I've always let go of people myself. I had HR assist me, if needed, but it was my call to make, because I hired that person, coached that person, celebrated with that person, disciplined that person, and ultimately fired that person. I was the person leading the effort.

Every person I have ever let go had a good idea of what was coming, because I was very transparent with them along the way.

A person whom the former employee never met handling the termination is completely disrespectful to that person.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 7:08 am
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
24260 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:07 am to
The ole “circle back” phrase was dropped in the conversation.
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
1292 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:09 am to
She’s learned a very valuable lesson at a fairly young age and time in her career.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61146 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:09 am to
This is what our litigious overly bureaucratic world has given us. Because of lawsuits and such its hard for companies to say anything more than a script handed to them by the company lawyers.


I'm sure you can guess what those reasons are.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38531 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:10 am to
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The ole “circle back” phrase was dropped in the conversation.


She handled herself well by asking, "If now is not the right time to tell before I get fired, it won't be the right time after I am let go" --- or something very similar to that effect.

You can tell the HR people have done this many times before, and didn't get any push back. They went into this laissez-faire, and she at least called out their company's bullshite policy on how they terminate people. The HR team was not prepared for any specifics, instead they recite canned verbiage and I get why --- but when terminating, hard facts should have been presented --- you were performing at xyz vs. a company average metric of xyz, etc.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 7:12 am
Posted by CFFO
Houston, TX
Member since Jul 2005
300 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:11 am to
Sounds like they were working remote. Would it have been better to go into the office to get fired? Would have bitched about that.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38531 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:15 am to
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Sounds like they were working remote. Would it have been better to go into the office to get fired? Would have bitched about that.


Getting fired via Zoom is not really the issue. Her manager not being present is.

That's the issue I have. And if the manager didn't tell her along the way what he/she thought of her performance.

90 days, in the grand scheme of things, is not enough time to truly determine one's output. That's why activity is important. Activity + productivity (calls, appointments booked, etc.) can eventually lead to success.

Now, if she had zero activity and was not productive at all, then she has no leg to stand on. But she didn't believe that was her scenario.
Posted by tigernurse
Member since Dec 2005
29959 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:19 am to
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I can say that I have worked for some very large companies, and I've always let go of people myself. I had HR assist me, if needed, but it was my call to make, because I hired that person, coached that person, celebrated with that person, disciplined that person, and ultimately fired that person. I was the person leading the effort.


you seem to be a vv good leader of ppl. that is becoming more and more rare these days.

I sure hope this young lady doesn't latch on to any type of victim card - even though she should've been let go by her direct mgr imho.

I hope she takes this experience and learns/grows from it and becomes an even better person/employee for the next company she works for. It could end up being a valuable life lesson for her.

Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7758 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:22 am to
Hell yea. frick those HR losers and these coward fricks at these megacorps.

HR is useless and just mindless drones for the suits.

Props to this woman for defending herself.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7758 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:23 am to
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WuShock


Why are you bootlicking for MegaCorp, Inc?

You arse will get the boot too. Lmao.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
9137 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:29 am to
I don't understand the big deal? Life isn't fair. I've been screwed over at work before, does no good to cry about it. Just move on and keep believing.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30734 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:29 am to
Welcome to a large company.

And if she didnt want to be fired, maybe she should try not being in the bottom 40 out of 1500.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20760 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:31 am to
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I'm taking notes and feedback. We'll circle back


I’m sure she’ll run it up the flag pole so that they can work smarter, not harder going forward. Probably didn’t have enough bandwidth to make this case a win-win so they will hop on a call later and do a deep dive so they can move the needle on this.

GD corporate America is the absolute worst.

This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 7:42 am
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30734 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:31 am to
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HR is useless and just mindless drones for the suits.


Yup, HR works for the organization. They dont work for the employee.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7758 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:35 am to
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I don't understand the big deal?


The deal is the managers and suits are frickin coward fricks who cannot provide specifics and send out their drones to fire people.

Why are you bootlicking for these Megacorps?

The suits will fire your arse too when you are not longer useful.
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