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re: CDC admits risk for myocarditis in people under 25 could be over 200x the background rate
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:26 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:26 pm to lsupride87
quote:Stop Pride, Stout wants the vaccine to be bad and believes everything he reads!!!
Cool
1200 people total have gotten myocarditis out of 300,000,000
That’s a rate of 12.6 out of 1 million
The general population is 14 out of 100,000
So overall the covid vaccine helps prevent myocarditis
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:
So overall the covid vaccine helps prevent myocarditis
Obviously you can't possibly believe that it reduces myocarditis by a factor of 10, so you're unknowingly admitting that your statistics are misleading.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:28 pm to lsupride87
quote:
1200 people total have gotten myocarditis out of 300,000,000
That’s a rate of 12.6 out of 1 million
The general population is 14 out of 100,000
So overall the covid vaccine helps prevent myocarditis
You are still arguing against the linked statistics by lumping the entire population into your argument and ignoring this is for those under 25.
You are flat out ignoring the stats and topic at hand published by the CDC.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:28 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:I have now come full circle
I don't have any reason to dispute your numbers but do the benefits of a young person or kid getting the vaccine outweigh the risks? My argument is that we don't really know yet. But we do know that they have an extremely low risk from Covid. I'm not planning on getting my 14 yr old vaccinated.
In summer of 2020, I argued agaisnt covidians on their myocarditis fear porn
The one thing young people do experience very rarely with covid is myocarditis, because their body puts forth an inflammatory response
Vaccines, all vaccines, cause inflammatory responses. Extremely rarely, like here, that can lead to myocarditis
Both covid myocarditis and vaccine myocarditis should be looked at, but the numbers don’t come close to supporting the fear porn both sides tried/are trying to produce
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:29 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Myocarditis in general population is .015%
Rate of myocarditis in vaccinated population is .000004%
So now you’re a stats guy.
99.6%
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:29 pm to BornCritic
Trust the long term outcome studies.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:29 pm to stout
I'm thankful to get my news from TD.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:30 pm to shel311
quote:
Stop Pride, Stout wants the vaccine to be bad and believes everything he reads!!!
Or....I don't understand why we are pushing young healthy people to get it when the risk vs reward doesn't make sense considering they have virtually zero chance of dying from Covid.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:30 pm to stout
quote:Im simply comparing the entire age population for both covid vaccinated and general
You are still arguing against the linked statistics by lumping the entire population into your argument and ignoring this is for those under 25.
You are flat out ignoring the stats and topic at hand published by the CDC.
Population
And it appears as a whole covid vaccines greatly reduce your risk of myocarditis if you wish to use data that way
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:30 pm to stout
Yeah but what’s their mUh UnDeRlYiNg CoNdItIoN?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:30 pm to lsupride87
Are you doctor or work in the medical field?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:31 pm to BugAC
quote:You think I’m just now a stats guy? Stats are my life, my passion, and my livelihood
So now you’re a stats guy.
I have been the biggest proponent about covid being bullshite and the lockdowns being insane, so you are barking up the wrong tree
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:31 pm to shel311
My take is that if you want the vaccine get it. But you shouldn't care if others decline because you are already protected, unless you don't believe it works.
Everyone in the country has access to it now so if you don't want to take it you are making the decision that you'd rather the risk of getting Covid.
Everyone in the country has access to it now so if you don't want to take it you are making the decision that you'd rather the risk of getting Covid.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:32 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:Not for COVID.
do you think we should be forcing kids to get a vaccine
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:32 pm to lsupride87
quote:
And it appears as a whole covid vaccines greatly reduce your risk of myocarditis if you wish to use data that way
But that's not what the stats linked by the CDC show for those under 25. That's the entire premise of the thread. Not sure why you are arguing for the entire population when that is not at all what I linked or even posted. You are ignoring the OP completely.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:32 pm to SDVTiger
quote:Just someone that can easily look up data is all
Are you doctor or work in the medical field?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:32 pm to lsupride87
quote:
And it appears as a whole covid vaccines greatly reduce your risk of myocarditis if you wish to use data that way
But you JUST said that vaccines lead to inflammation which can lead to myocarditis.
You're being disingenuous in your crusade to get everyone vaccinated.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:33 pm to stout
quote:
In addition, we know that myocarditis and pericarditis are much more common if you get COVID-19, and the risks to the heart from COVID-19 infection can be more severe.”
Also from the same report, but carry on with your fear porn.
NBC article from a few hours ago.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:35 pm to lsupride87
quote:
The rate of myocarditis post vaccination is 12.6 per million people
The rate of myocarditis in the general population is 15 cases per 100,000 people
Sooooooo, yehhhh
Stop it, you are gonna confuse the "science is dumb" crowd
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:37 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
Myocarditis in general population is .015%
Rate of myocarditis in vaccinated population is .000004%
I don't have any reason to dispute your numbers but do the benefits of a young person or kid getting the vaccine outweigh the risks? My argument is that we don't really know yet. But we do know that they have an extremely low risk from Covid. I'm not planning on getting my 14 yr old vaccinated.
It seems to me that all of the risks are very low. People can’t be arguing that the risk of getting Covid is super low and the death rate is super low and that’s why we shouldn’t get the vaccine then also argue that.000004% is too high of a risk.
I understand your point that we still don’t fully know the risks of getting the vaccine and I do agree with your choice of weighing those risks and choosing not to vaccinate your child.
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