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re: Career Builder's CEO: Young people are 'ghosting' employers
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:48 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:48 am to wildtigercat93
quote:Not at all what is being discussed in this article. We are talking not honoring a commitment.
the employee is leaving the company likely because of the company’s actions and rarely does it for no reason.
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:50 am to tigerfoot
There is no commitment lol.
You can be fired for no reason on day 1.
You can be fired for no reason on day 1.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:34 am to JohnnyKilroy
Until I landed at my current role, I would bounce around every couple years from company to company. I hated the work I was doing and kept thinking maybe the environment of the new place would make the work more enjoyable. It didn’t.
That said, I always gave two weeks. And when my new employer asked when I could start, I ALWAYS made it a point to say “I can start in two weeks because out of respect to my current employer I would like to give proper notice.” I never got push back, and I think my new employers saw that as a positive attribute.
I understand that it’s not a two way street, but it’s the world we live in. And every time I asked a former employer to be a reference, they gladly obliged.
I think that’s where these people who are “ghosting” are really messing up. I’ve never applied for a position that didn’t ask for references at some point in the process.
That said, I always gave two weeks. And when my new employer asked when I could start, I ALWAYS made it a point to say “I can start in two weeks because out of respect to my current employer I would like to give proper notice.” I never got push back, and I think my new employers saw that as a positive attribute.
I understand that it’s not a two way street, but it’s the world we live in. And every time I asked a former employer to be a reference, they gladly obliged.
I think that’s where these people who are “ghosting” are really messing up. I’ve never applied for a position that didn’t ask for references at some point in the process.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:38 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
You can be fired for no reason on day 1.
If you're worth a damn, not something you have to worry about
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
Ok. That doesn’t change anything lol
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:46 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
Ok. That doesn’t change anything lol
Quality people don't get fired, quality people don't "ghost." Both are legal, and both aren't wise.
So your opinion is its ok to make unwise decisions just because there's a chance the other guy could as well.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:48 am to kingbob
quote:
’s not like employers give them much notice before they turf their arse
This is true and makes it hard to be sympathetic towards the company. You can wAlk into a meeting at any time and walk out unemployed with no severance.
Me and my fellow manager have a running practice when someone puts in a 2 week notice. He automatically assumes they’ll quit within a day or two and I give them at least a week and occasionally finish out the 2. He’s right WAY more than me. Luckily, most of our positions are redundant and it’s not that big of a deal. We’ve had 2 walk out mid day, one take her floating holidays and a Christmas Day pay, then leave her badge on the morning of the 26th.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
So your opinion is its ok to make unwise decisions just because there's a chance the other guy could as well.
When did I say it was ok to ghost?
I simply said there is no commitment, because there isn't. A company can fire you at anytime with no recourse. There is no commitment without an employment contract.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:54 am to jlovel7
quote:
Probably, but some of those people have likely been ghosted by potential employers in their job search. I think employers should start to recognize that. While your company may not be guilty of it, it's hard to blame people for abandoning common courtesy when those same courtesies haven't been afforded to them by other companies. If you haven't been in the job hunt game in recent years
100% accurate. I’ve been in the job hunt for awhile now, albeit part time because I’m currently employed. It absolutely is demoralizing to do a phone interview, make an excuse for a morning or full day off for interviews once or maybe twice, get told they’ll ‘definitely’ be reaching out in a specific time frame, then never hearing back or even having calls and\or emails returned.
Employers and recruiters, grow a set a damn balls and be willing to have an adult conversation. Most of you are f’n spineless.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Quality people don't get fired
This is also laughably false.
I've seen high quality people canned and I've seen many more high quality people run off. And it had nothing to do with their work product.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:56 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
simply said there is no commitment,
There absolutely is commitment, a huge economic one.
the bonds are much lesser when you don't produce. It's pretty much in your hands.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:01 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:Hell, you can be fired for no reason day 1000.
There is no commitment lol.
You can be fired for no reason on day 1.
But that is not what is happening. Nothing excuses ghosting an employer
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:04 am to wildtigercat93
quote:
I had a very similar experience in BR out of college, except it was door to door to people’s frickin home from 10 am to 7 pm. Felt like we were a wrong knock from being shot a couple times
Straight up had the same model of a pyramid scheme
I was still in school but was possibly looking for something to do over the summer. Talked with someone in the union. It was selling encyclopedias/educational books/software. He even had a fellow student just "drop by" randomly and sing the praises and how he was looking forward to the summer sales. It was typical MLM scan, you buy the books at wholesale and make money on the markup. But there was also a bootcamp to get you ready for sales. I don't think it was paid either. You get sent out to bumfrick rural places all over the south. Turns out this company got it's start selling bibles and other religious books in the 1800's. Within a few minutes of hearing this guy's pitch I could sense something was up and didn't want a part of it. LINK
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:06 am to Centinel
"they have leveraged a potential job offer as a negotiation tactic to get a pay raise at their current job."
And like this is new to this generation?
And like this is new to this generation?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:07 am to supadave3
quote:
100% accurate. I’ve been in the job hunt for awhile now, albeit part time because I’m currently employed. It absolutely is demoralizing to do a phone interview, make an excuse for a morning or full day off for interviews once or maybe twice, get told they’ll ‘definitely’ be reaching out in a specific time frame, then never hearing back or even having calls and\or emails returned.
Employers and recruiters, grow a set a damn balls and be willing to have an adult conversation. Most of you are f’n spineless.
When I do technical screenings I hate this part of the call. I assume the worst when it comes to the recruiters. All I can do is send my feedback to the recruiter but it's out of my hands then.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:10 am to RLDSC FAN
I feel like the red hot economy is why you are seeing ghosting.
Companies are hungry for talent currently.
Also you have to be a retard to not use leverage in salary negotiations.
Companies are hungry for talent currently.
Also you have to be a retard to not use leverage in salary negotiations.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:10 am to upgrayedd
quote:
“They're helping to drive companies really highlight their mission and purpose,” Novoselsky told Yahoo Finance. “That is one of their number one criteria for joining a business.”
I know no one who considered their company's political stance as being a major factor in their decision.
The top factors for everyone I know:
Salary
Promotion opportunities
Work/life balance
Company culture
The job is interesting
Also, Salary.
Benefits package
No one who matters, cares.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:22 am to cokebottleag
Maybe I could see liberal arts majors considering that.
It’s always going to be Salary and opportunity
It’s always going to be Salary and opportunity
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:26 am to Loup
quote:Boomers have a bizarre authoritarian streak running through their entire existence. You see it in threads like this (how DARE the low level employee not completely bow down to the asymmetry of power in the worker/employer relationship) and in sports threads where players actually negotiate and advocate for their self interest instead of meekly bowing down to billionaires. It's weird.
an employer will lay you off with no prior notice, why should employees offer the employer the courtesy of a notice?
I've never ditched a job without notice nor would I but I've always wondered why that is expected when it is rarely reciprocated.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:29 am to supadave3
This is very common but no one talks about it because it does not make the company look like the bad guy. My favorite is the 2 weeks notice that isnt 2 weeks. Their final day is like 4 or 5 days later
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