re: Cardell Hayes attorney requests NOPD not handle investigation

I feel like we won't have even half of the facts, evidence until after the prelim hearing.

Upon first hearing about it, this sounded like a cold blooded thug gunned someone down for seemingly no reason, or because he was keeping it real after being disrespected.

Then it looked like maybe the guy was looking to retaliate for what went down with his dad and the NOPD.

Then it sounded like an argument COULD be made for self defense depending on what facts came out.

Now I don't know what the frick happened with this shirtless dude.

Did Hayes fear for his life, but then cap the wrong people??? The frick is going on here???

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think that Hayes thinks he's justified at this point and it wasn't cold blooded

That doesn't mean it is true, but I think he heard the word gun and thought that gave him the go ahead

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I think that's a possible scenario. He could be guilty as sin, but mistakenly believe he's not.

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Did Hayes fear for his life, but then cap the wrong people??? The frick is going on here???

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shirtless maniac posing physical threat
will smith inbetween wife and shooter
hayes supposedly says "frick ya'll i got one too"

So the first person to shoot is wife, then you put 8 in the back of will. Sounds like will went for gun when hayes made threat or when his wife was shot.

but this just sounds plausible to me. where was shirtless maniac guy. Wife said she thought was diffused? she said hayes followed them, did he not want to calm down, did him following make will seem like a threat was posed? Was PT the one who helped remove shirtless guy from situation?

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Hayes has already basically been painted as a thug POS who gunned down Smith in cold blood. The court of public opinion has already convicted him of this crime.

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i disagree with this presumption.

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Not necessarily. Hayes has already basically been painted as a thug POS who gunned down Smith in cold blood. The court of public opinion has already convicted him of this crime. Just go back and read other threads on this subject on TD.com. I think it's a smart move by the attorney to start trying to punch holes in people's opinions on this case.

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Oh I agree that it's a wise move to try to get out in front of the story and beat back some of the negative press, but it seems like Fuller is divulging a lot of info that will only hurt him if he can't prove it. Just appears like some of his moves have needlessly exposed him and Hayes.


He picked up PR wins with the second gun, the initial hit and run, and the fact that Smith had been drinking that night. The 911 thing and asking for NOPD to be taken off the case are two knocks against him so far IMO.

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The impala driver is an unrelated civilian and was not running around shirtless.

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Isn't is obvious who it was at this point?

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Fuller is working hard to change this perception and hoping to get an indictment lesser than 2nd degree.

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I honestly think Fuller is smarter than that. If the state wants a second degree, that's what it's getting. What he's doing right now isn't going to change the fact that the DA can have the lead detective say "we arrived and found a male with 8 gunshot wounds. Witnesses confirmed Hayes was the shooter and he had a gun" and that's it.

If he wants a manslaughter, he should be meeting with Leon right now and wanting the chance to sway him once the reports start rolling in. He'll let an attorney stand in front of the charge conference and make a case if asked.

its why i'm asking, i don't know what it means man. preserve could mean make a temporary secret huh?

So Pierre Thomas likely, maybe shirtless ghost.