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re: Can you FOIA a School's Camera
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:13 am to Weekend Warrior79
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:13 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Does that still work if the party recording the meeting is not part of the conversation and isn't even in the room. I always thought (not an attorney) that for LA's 1-party rule to apply one of the parties have to be the one recording.
In La's law only one of the parties being recorded has to be aware of the recording. So as long as one of the people being recorded is aware, then it should be legal (at least as my non-lawyerly self understands it).
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Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:14 am to Indefatigable
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What would you want done about it?
If I could find out it happened I’d be pissed and want to know why they did that but it isn’t something I’m going to do because even if he was on his phone for a period and involved there’s no way I could get their cell records to confirm.
Why did he feel the need to be involved?
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:15 am to momentoftruth87
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If I could find out it happened I’d be pissed and want to know why they did that
Why?
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it isn’t something I’m going to do because even if he was on his phone for a period and involved there’s no way I could get their cell records to confirm
I guess I don't understand why you would want to do anything, even if you had those records.
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Why did he feel the need to be involved?
Why does it matter? The teacher apologized. Case closed.
You still haven't expressed why the husband listening to the conversation would concern you.
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:15 am to momentoftruth87
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If I could find out it happened I’d be pissed and want to know why they did that but it isn’t something I’m going to do because even if he was on his phone for a period and involved there’s no way I could get their cell records to confirm.
Let it go brother. There is nothing you can do and it will only make you angrier. Let it go.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:16 am to momentoftruth87
You are kind of all over the map here. I don't know what more you could want, she agreed with your child's statement of what happened and apologized. You either are good with giving second chances and not making a big deal about it or you are not.
So her husband came by and may have been listening in on the meeting, I can't say I wouldn't do anything different for my wife. So either report her to the district or accept her apology as you said you did. Of course they will take steps to protect them and the teacher.
Get a lawyer and go scorched Earth. They can simply say they don't keep stored footage of cameras past 1 week or whatever. FOIA's can take a while to fulfill.
I also understand your position as the parent, I wouldn't take too kindly to an educator blasting my kid, but then there are two sides to every story, but you said the apology was sufficient.
So her husband came by and may have been listening in on the meeting, I can't say I wouldn't do anything different for my wife. So either report her to the district or accept her apology as you said you did. Of course they will take steps to protect them and the teacher.
Get a lawyer and go scorched Earth. They can simply say they don't keep stored footage of cameras past 1 week or whatever. FOIA's can take a while to fulfill.
I also understand your position as the parent, I wouldn't take too kindly to an educator blasting my kid, but then there are two sides to every story, but you said the apology was sufficient.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:18 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
the husband was there because his wife probably informed him what parents she was going to have to deal with. I seriously doubt this was the first time.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:18 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I wouldn't take too kindly to an educator blasting my kid, but then there are two sides to every story, but you said the apology was sufficient.
That is where I am stuck. He appears to only be concerned with the idea that the husband may have heard the conversation, but he hasn't said why that would be such an issue if the underlying problem was resolved to his satisfaction.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:19 am to Big Gorilla
I will man. My kid isn’t a scholar or saint but he’s not a degenerate. And when I say c student he has like 2 cs as his lowest grades I’d even post them later. He’s not a bad kid.
Just weird vibe afterwards.
Just weird vibe afterwards.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:21 am to momentoftruth87
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Teachers aren’t supposed to plant seeds of how they should mold a kid. That’s the parents job
That’s a very idealistic way of looking at things, and I really wish that it could be that way. The problem is that a shitload of parents aren’t holding up their end in today’s society, and it’s not always their fault. There are more programs introduced in public schools yearly that ask teachers to take on parenting roles to these students, and I don’t agree with them at all. Are you familiar with SEL?
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:24 am to Indefatigable
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That is where I am stuck. He appears to only be concerned with the idea that the husband may have heard the conversation, but he hasn't said why that would be such an issue if the underlying problem was resolved to his satisfaction.
Well and he says in the OP that he requested the Superintendent to be there. But then said they requested him to be there (which just doesn’t make any sense unless we’re talking more severe disciplinary action). Why does the Super need to be there if the teacher apology is sufficient?
And then he’s mad her husband was there as another school employee and is equating it to if he could be there then the Superintendent should be there (which again, makes no sense). Even though it seems he wasn’t there in an official sense and outside of the meeting.
It seems to me like there’s plenty not being relayed about what’s actually going on here.
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:25 am to momentoftruth87
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He’s 12. The teacher went off on him telling him he’s a failire, won’t be anything in the future, never going to go to college then held him at recess.
He's 12. He's 100% aware he should have taken more time, and I'm sure the teacher preached this daily for weeks. Also, maybe her words were stern, but he will be taking the ACT/SAT by 15/16.
If he half-arsed sports practice, his coach would yell at him too.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:26 am to momentoftruth87
But lets not address the possible real issue of why she went off...
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:28 am to momentoftruth87
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Why did he feel the need to be involved?
Because you sound unhinged and it's his wife. This could have been cleared up in a phone call. Parents do occasionally go to schools and attack teachers and admins. I say kudos to the husband.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:29 am to LSUfanNkaty
You think it’s okay for teachers to degrade a kid? In my opinion it shouldn’t be done at any age in public school system.
No wonder why our kids have issues. Does this mean everyone here tells their kids they’re failures and not going to amount to anything? If you don’t why is it okay for a teacher?
No wonder why our kids have issues. Does this mean everyone here tells their kids they’re failures and not going to amount to anything? If you don’t why is it okay for a teacher?
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:31 am to momentoftruth87
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I will man. My kid isn’t a scholar or saint but he’s not a degenerate. And when I say c student he has like 2 cs as his lowest grades I’d even post them later. He’s not a bad kid.
Just weird vibe afterwards.
Maybe you should be putting your energy into getting your son to understand he needs to put full effort into his work, as even if he decides on a career that doesn't need top grades to get into a program, he will still need to apply himself at whatever job he chooses.
I am guessing the teacher has been seeing this kind of half-arse effort from him all along, and like you said was having a bad enough day that it irritated her more than normally.
Also, someone that claims to be a US Marine Corps fan bitching about harsh verbal rebukes is a a bit ironic.
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:31 am to HouseMom
Holy crap, if his coach ever yells at him the president of the USA will be called to be present
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:33 am to momentoftruth87
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You think it’s okay for teachers to degrade a kid?
Within reason, absolutely.
"The world don't give a damn about how sensitive these kids are. You ain't doin' these kids a favor by patronizing them. You crippling them; You crippling them for life."
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:34 am to momentoftruth87
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You think it’s okay for teachers to degrade a kid? In my opinion it shouldn’t be done at any age in public school system.
No wonder why our kids have issues. Does this mean everyone here tells their kids they’re failures and not going to amount to anything? If you don’t why is it okay for a teacher?
Critcize the action, not the individual.
At 12, it is perfectly acceptable to tell a student, hey, you failed, because you didn't properly prepare. And if you don't start doing better, you are going to have more failures at tests, etc.
It's not acceptable to tell a 12 year student, you are a failure.
It's a difference. Maybe this teacher was on the wrong side of that line, and if that's what happened here, the teacher apologized and hopefully learned from it.
Considering that in most public schools, kids are not allowed to fail and are just passed along, I'm actually kind of surprised this happened.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:35 am to HouseMom
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Because you sound unhinged
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HouseMom
Irl a dude acting like a girl on the ot
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:36 am to HouseMom
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He's 12. He's 100% aware he should have taken more time, and I'm sure the teacher preached this daily for weeks.
I couldn’t possibly place blame on the teacher or the student fully without having personally witnessed the incident. I can say that the above statement is 100% true. These test scores make up a great deal of a teacher’s evaluation, yet, as you said, they don’t mean anything to the students. That pretty much invites students who aren’t motivated themselves to score well to just “click through” the test so that they can be finished. Then, when test scores are reviewed at the end of the school year or the beginning of the following year, all fingers are pointed at the teacher.
We over test these kids to an extreme degree, and it’s not hard to understand why some students don’t take the tests seriously.
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