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re: Can someone please tell me wtf a plant operator is and what they do?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:58 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:58 pm to WG_Dawg
"When you say plants, what exactly does this plant do? If my above assumption is correct, does it have something to do with the extraction of resources? Refining them?"
- More technical distinctions can be drawn, but the term "plants" refers to both refineries, which take crude oil and refine things such as gasoline and jet fuel from it, and chemical manufacturing facilities, which can make all sorts of things. "Plants" do not engage in extraction, i.e., a "plant" is not at all the same thing as on oil well.
"I'll assume the operator is the head boss of the plant."
- This assumption is incorrect. Operators are skilled but rank-and-file employees. They are not in supervision (at least generally speaking) and may unionize.
"From what I undersatnd, this person makes a shite ton of money."
Operators can do quite well, especially when you consider that many of them are able to and do live in small communities outside of expensive metro areas. Solid hourly pay plus opportunites for high five-digit and even six digit incomes are common.
"What exactly does this job entail? What does the operator do on a day to day basis?"
It varies depending on the plant and the process. But think in terms of monitoring controls panels/computer screens/guages, turning valves to isolate process areas for construction or safety reasons, sometimes sampling batches of chemicals, dealing with rail or truck deliveries (sometimes). This is not an exhaustive list. (You might hear a construction hand, such as a pipefitter, say that operators "sit in the AC all day" ... and there may be some truth to that!).
"The people on the other end of the ladder from the operator, the lower level, entry level plant workers..what do they do? What are their primary tasks?"
They're not necessarily lower level, but you will see plenty of electricians, carpenters (largely working with scaffolding and making frames for pouring cement), pipefitters, welders, and other construction hands. Many of these folks may be contractors.
"I see that plant workers, despite their high wage, get made fun of on here a good bit. Is it just because of the assumption that they are unintelligent? All I really can picture to be an equivalent would be like a factory or something with welders and people working with metal and machines. Is it that type of employee?"
I am not on this board too much, but I suppose there are some who might poke fun at plant workers because they have blue collar jobs.
"If working in a plant sucks so bad, as I am led to believe, how/why do they make so much money?"
It really doesn't suck. Good money, good benefits, and a decent number of days off. There is an element of dangers, the hours can be long and sometimes the work is hard. so, it's a mixed bag like most jobs. As for the pay, a lot of it comes from the fact that the costs of a screwup, both in human and monetary terms, can be so high. The companies want to get the best people who are able and willing to do that kind of work. So they pay for it.
- More technical distinctions can be drawn, but the term "plants" refers to both refineries, which take crude oil and refine things such as gasoline and jet fuel from it, and chemical manufacturing facilities, which can make all sorts of things. "Plants" do not engage in extraction, i.e., a "plant" is not at all the same thing as on oil well.
"I'll assume the operator is the head boss of the plant."
- This assumption is incorrect. Operators are skilled but rank-and-file employees. They are not in supervision (at least generally speaking) and may unionize.
"From what I undersatnd, this person makes a shite ton of money."
Operators can do quite well, especially when you consider that many of them are able to and do live in small communities outside of expensive metro areas. Solid hourly pay plus opportunites for high five-digit and even six digit incomes are common.
"What exactly does this job entail? What does the operator do on a day to day basis?"
It varies depending on the plant and the process. But think in terms of monitoring controls panels/computer screens/guages, turning valves to isolate process areas for construction or safety reasons, sometimes sampling batches of chemicals, dealing with rail or truck deliveries (sometimes). This is not an exhaustive list. (You might hear a construction hand, such as a pipefitter, say that operators "sit in the AC all day" ... and there may be some truth to that!).
"The people on the other end of the ladder from the operator, the lower level, entry level plant workers..what do they do? What are their primary tasks?"
They're not necessarily lower level, but you will see plenty of electricians, carpenters (largely working with scaffolding and making frames for pouring cement), pipefitters, welders, and other construction hands. Many of these folks may be contractors.
"I see that plant workers, despite their high wage, get made fun of on here a good bit. Is it just because of the assumption that they are unintelligent? All I really can picture to be an equivalent would be like a factory or something with welders and people working with metal and machines. Is it that type of employee?"
I am not on this board too much, but I suppose there are some who might poke fun at plant workers because they have blue collar jobs.
"If working in a plant sucks so bad, as I am led to believe, how/why do they make so much money?"
It really doesn't suck. Good money, good benefits, and a decent number of days off. There is an element of dangers, the hours can be long and sometimes the work is hard. so, it's a mixed bag like most jobs. As for the pay, a lot of it comes from the fact that the costs of a screwup, both in human and monetary terms, can be so high. The companies want to get the best people who are able and willing to do that kind of work. So they pay for it.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:59 pm to Croacka
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maybe during a turnaround when they are working even more OT than usual.....but a person working 50 or 60 hours a week isn't exactly invisible
Yeah we call that "normal." I don't think I have a single friend who works a 40 hour week.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:59 pm to Tiger Ryno
Y'all talkin operator stuff in here?
Michael Breed's father was an operator.
True story.
Michael Breed's father was an operator.
True story.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:00 pm to CQQ
At my plant,over time is scarce. I work 168 hours a month and usually turn down any opportunities for over time which are rare (with the exception of the occasional turn around) seems like most of the plants around here getting away from over time by hiring alot of extra operators.
There is alot of ignorance on this board about operators.
There is alot of ignorance on this board about operators.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:00 pm to stout
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When you start out you will get the shite shifts but as you get tenured it isn't nearly as bad. Plenty of operators get straight days and only have to put in tons of OT when there are turnarounds. The shift work usually equals like 20 hours OT per pay period/2 weeks so it's not as bad as many here make it out to be. I have family and friends that are operators and they seem to have more free time than I do working M-F.
Don't let the know it alls on the OT fool you. A lot of bad info and stereotypes get posted here out of jealousy because a lot of operators make more than the white collar grads that mostly post here.
All true but again, not for everyone. I'm jealous of the money but normal hours/being at ball games/bdays/holidays is just not worth it. My opinion and I know you can switch shifts at times but a lot of times, you're stuck. Even without the OT, working evening/nights has to be difficult with a family.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:00 pm to stout
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Don't let the know it alls on the OT fool you. A lot of bad info and stereotypes get posted here out of jealousy because a lot of operators make more than the white collar grads that mostly post here.
exactly
i'm not jealous of the money because i make a good living and I don't want to work shift work (because I don't have to), but to belittle them because they have a good paying job that doesn't fit the mold of 9-5 and they didnt have to go to college is chickenshit
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:01 pm to Tiger Ryno
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so much stupid in this thread
truth hurts
Hurts who? I am not an operator so it doesn't bother me but what you posted is mostly BS.
My brother was an operator until recently being promoted to supervisor and he had more free time than I did. Now he just works 4-10s when there is no turnaround but even before that he was on straight days.
Only the younger new guys get the shite shifts many of you here are describing.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:02 pm to Croacka
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i'm not jealous of the money because i make a good living and I don't want to work shift work (because I don't have to), but to belittle them because they have a good paying job that doesn't fit the mold of 9-5 and they didnt have to go to college is chickenshit
Don't you know, good paying jobs are trashy, brah_The OT
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:04 pm to The Pirate King
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They ride around in jacked up Silverado's with "oilfield trash spending oilfield cash" stickers
Do plant operators really consider themselves as oil field workers? Don't they just stick to the 1 plant they work at, kind of like a normal employee at an office? Do they actually go out to field locations where there's drilling/completion/production activities going on?
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:05 pm to ColoradoAg03
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Do plant operators really consider themselves as oil field workers? Don't they just stick to the 1 plant they work at, kind of like an normal employee at an office? Do they actually go out to field locations where there's drilling/completion/production activities going on?
no, but mentioning that sticker made that guys post seem wittier to him
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:06 pm to ColoradoAg03
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Do plant operators really consider themselves as oil field workers? Don't they just stick to the 1 plant they work at, kind of like a normal employee at an office? Do they actually go out to field locations where there's drilling/completion/production activities going on?
No. There are two kinds of "operators" and that poster didn't read that this thread was about the "plant" ones, not the "field" ones.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:06 pm to stout
I'm not belittling anyone for having a good paying job or for even making "easy money" with little education. that is a good thing for the economy….Just saying most of the kids I grew up with whose dads did this were never around for anything…not games, not birthdays, missed a lot Christmases, etc…
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:08 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Just saying most of the kids I grew up with whose dads did this were never around for anything…not games, not birthdays, missed a lot Christmases, etc…
and??
what about doctors and nurses? traveling salesman? police officers?
are plant operators the only guys that aren't at home at 6pm everyday and make every single holiday?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:10 pm to Croacka
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The typical operator basically is invisible to his family.
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this is bullshite for the most part
the stereotypes operators have gained on this board never cease to amaze me
a few bad apples seemed to have spoiled the reputation of the industry, at least on this board
Yep. You are right on. There are so many misguided, and uninformed people that think they know, but in actuality don't know a GD thing about what it's like to be in an Ops setting within a plant.
Fact of the matter is, I know operators that only choose to work OT when they want to do so. Most on here think we have to work a shite ton of hours all of the time, and that couldn't be further from the truth. Anyway, the OT is gonna OT.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:11 pm to Tiger Ryno
And I am saying that is hyperbole on your part
You and others act like these guys live at the plants and that is simply not true. I bet many here work 50-60 hours per week at their office jobs. Outside of a turnaround once or twice per year I fail to see how it's any different.
You and others act like these guys live at the plants and that is simply not true. I bet many here work 50-60 hours per week at their office jobs. Outside of a turnaround once or twice per year I fail to see how it's any different.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:11 pm to Tiger Ryno
I am an operator with a 2 year old kid, I can tell you honestly at times it sucks because your not there for your kid. But when your making great money and have great benifits for your child everyday is like Christmas for them. But that's just my thinking.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:12 pm to The Pirate King
Where a surgeon does surgery, an operator, operates things.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:13 pm to stout
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Outside of a turnaround once or twice per year I fail to see how it's any different.
difference for me is I never have to worry about working nights, weekends, holidays, etc.
Outside a few days of the year I can take off anytime I want
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:13 pm to LateArrivalforLSU
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. Most on here think we have to work a shite ton of hours all of the time, and that couldn't be further from the truth. Anyway, the OT is gonna OT.
out of curiosity, if you got a call at work from the wife saying that T-boy fell out of a tree and broke his arm, could you leave work for a couple of hours to go see about T-boy?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:14 pm to Croacka
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i'm not jealous of the money because i make a good living and I don't want to work shift work (because I don't have to), but to belittle them because they have a good paying job that doesn't fit the mold of 9-5 and they didnt have to go to college is chickenshit
This. Plus my paternal grandfather was a longshoreman and my uncle (also on my father's side) worked on an oil rig.
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