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re: California bans suspending disruptive/defiant students
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:39 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:39 am to VolsOut4Harambe
SO they violate the rights of every other student in the classroom to placate the kids who are the PROBLEM?
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:42 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Im ok with this. California has my full support in making their own lives more miserable.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:47 am to Packer
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At least at school they can see counselors or the behavioral interventionists (BI's) who will at least attempt to help them.
Also, they aren't just going to keep them in the class when they are disruptive, most schools remove the kids from the class and have them see the BI's.
Sounds like a massive waste of time and resources.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:50 am to High C
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I can attest that Louisiana is moving in this direction, as well. Every year it becomes more and more difficult to get any consequences without doing an insane amount of paperwork and phone calls. They are trying to effectively eliminate punishment by making it so time consuming to document by the teachers that it's not even worth the time.
Talked with a former high school teacher recently. She worked in St. Charles - one of the better school districts supposedly. Discipline was a big issue, with no help from school administration. For the athletes, she could sometimes get a coach to scare them straight. But most weren't disciplined enough for sports either.
Parents didn't care. One mom told her "from 8 to 3 he's YOUR MFing problem."
She got fed up, quit and makes more money now working as a waitress.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:53 am to jennBN
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Don’t just spew the talking points to support your anti California agenda. The students will still be immediately removed from the classroom to what we called in school suspension in the south. They are just stopping the practice of sending kids home without any school work. The goal was to continue to attempt to educate bad kids in hopes of the kids turning it around and returning to class eventually.
All that being said, us Californians would love to secede. Please call your representatives and request that our massive economy be booted from your country.
In other words continue to abrogate parental responsibility for their child's bad behavior...
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:12 am to VolsOut4Harambe
So now, 1/3 of the school is going to be placed into in-school suspension at any given time. So they're going to "make" them do their work & see behavior counselors.
How is this going to happen when schools are already over populated & under staffed? Where is the money going to come from? Because if you take 10 or more behavior issues students out on a regular basis, you won't be able to keep them in the same room. You're going to need multiple rooms, with all the bells + whistles of today's classroom setting.
This is going to fail, miserably-like Obamacare.
How is this going to happen when schools are already over populated & under staffed? Where is the money going to come from? Because if you take 10 or more behavior issues students out on a regular basis, you won't be able to keep them in the same room. You're going to need multiple rooms, with all the bells + whistles of today's classroom setting.
This is going to fail, miserably-like Obamacare.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:15 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Thats why they created Jails. Kill, seperate, or drug is how society deals with people they dont like.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:41 am to VolsOut4Harambe
This may not be law in every state, but it’s pretty much common policy in many public schools.
As a teacher I can tell you the public school model is extremely broken. Still not much worse than parochial schools. If the anti-socialists wanted to attack one institution it should be this.
As a teacher I can tell you the public school model is extremely broken. Still not much worse than parochial schools. If the anti-socialists wanted to attack one institution it should be this.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:43 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Have they already done away with detention?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:47 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Have they already done away with detention?
In most cases yes. It too easily disrupts the delicate family balance of planning and getting kids to and from places. Kids that get bussed, go to after school programs, have both parents working fit into this.
It makes logistically sense on some levels.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:53 am to beerJeep
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Yes it does. It absolutely works. You see, it takes the shite student... and takes them out of the classroom.
This gives the good students a chance to learn uninterrupted.
Plenty of ways to do that without sending him home. Come on now.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:53 am to Jp1LSU
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As a teacher I can tell you the public school model is extremely broken.
Amen. Give me any component of public education, and I can likely give you a list of ways in which it is broken or backwards.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:55 am to slackster
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Plenty of ways to do that without sending him home. Come on now.
They need to be sent home. You'll never fix the system otherwise.
It's terribly broken as is.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:57 am to slackster
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Plenty of ways to do that without sending him home. Come on now.
Doesn’t matter to Scruffy how they do it, but the students who are trying shouldn’t have to suffer the disruptive ones.
Move them out of the class, send them home, it doesn’t matter.
We should attempt to help the bottom producers, but never at the expense of the top.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:00 am to Scruffy
Shouldn't the responsibility be on the parents not the school?
People here always complain about parents who expect schools to do their job for them, but when a state says "we aren't going to do that anymore," we all flip out because California.
People here always complain about parents who expect schools to do their job for them, but when a state says "we aren't going to do that anymore," we all flip out because California.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:00 am to slackster
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Plenty of ways to do that without sending him home. Come on now.
And those "plenty of ways" are nothing but a waste of time and resources.
Send the kid home. If that doesn't work, expel them permanently.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:04 am to TH03
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Shouldn't the responsibility be on the parents not the school?
Parents make up a much larger percentage of the electorate than school personnel, thus laws like this and many others that make no common sense.
For those arguing that this law is fine if you take the disruptive students out of the learning environment, that's fine if you're ok with paying even more people to simply babysit those students. Most of them are not going to do what they're asked at school, no matter who asks them. In this scenario, the parents still have no accountability.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:06 am to Packer
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Also, they aren't just going to keep them in the class when they are disruptive, most schools remove the kids from the class and have them see the BI's.
Yea, when I was growing up there were in-school and out-of-school suspensions.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:09 am to Scruffy
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Doesn’t matter to Scruffy how they do it, but the students who are trying shouldn’t have to suffer the disruptive ones. Move them out of the class, send them home, it doesn’t matter. We should attempt to help the bottom producers, but never at the expense of the top.
Agree wholeheartedly. I'm not advocating for keeping these kids in class and ignoring it or something. I'm simply pointing out that sending the home does nothing to fix the problem.
However, if the solution is to keep them in their regular class while they distract others, I do not support that route.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:10 am to High C
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For those arguing that this law is fine if you take the disruptive students out of the learning environment, that's fine if you're ok with paying even more people to simply babysit those students. Most of them are not going to do what they're asked at school, no matter who asks them. In this scenario, the parents still have no accountability.
So what does sending them home do? They come back in a few days and then what? I'm asking genuinely.
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