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re: Caeser or Napoleon: who was greater

Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:16 am to
Posted by I B Freeman
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:16 am to
Napoleon's impact on the world is nothing compared to the impact of the Roman Empire.
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:27 am to
In my opinion, Napoleon was the greater man.

Both were successful conquerors and innovators on the battlefield. Both ended up in absolute power in their respective countries.

Napoleon ruled longer. Napoleon faced more equal opposition. I think that puts him over the top.

Lastly, don’t even go there about Caesar and the king of Bythnia. No proof. Likely slander. Caesar enjoyed plenty of success with the opposite sex. Think about it. He knocked up Cleopatra.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:04 am to
What? Out of context this makes no sense.

Caesar conquered France, some of Germany, some of North Africa, and made Egypt a dependent kingdom.
Most of the conquering had been done in the Roman Republic.

Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:18 am to
One is known for salad, the other for brandy. I like the salad.
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:20 am to
Homo sex was very common in Roman times. The high class had a taste for boys.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:20 am to
You greatly underestimate the competition Caesar faced.

Are you just going to ignore that he defeated one of the other greatest generals that ever lived?

Also, as others have said, there is no proof of the Bithynia thing with Caesar and it was likely political slander.
This post was edited on 1/20/18 at 10:24 am
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:22 am to
IB, that’s not necessarily true.

1848, the second wave of colonialism, and the World Wars are direct blooms from the seeds Napoleon planted all over Europe.

Not to mention the Louisiana Purchase.

Also, his actions led directly all of the Bolivaran/Latin American liberations.
This post was edited on 1/20/18 at 10:25 am
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:22 am to
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The Napoleonic Code alone is the most important law code the world had ever seen


Hammurabi? The 10 Commandments?
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:29 am to
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Homo sex was very common in Roman times. The high class had a taste for boys.





But it was nothing like the modern idea of homosexuality. The ancient world made a huge distinction between the pitcher and catcher.
This post was edited on 1/20/18 at 10:30 am
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:42 am to
Romans and Greeks loved to smear their political opponents and tread over their triumphs. It was the go to when they couldn't unperson or otherwise disgrace them.


Napoleon got back at Josephine constantly by steering conversation and writing letters about how much better whatever his current lay was.

His main thing was he thought he was impotent until he knocked up a Polish noble that he kept around for a few years. Then he dropped her and Josephine and went in his own words "To marry a womb!" so he could secure his lineage. Since his sisters and brother were doing a poor job at building a dynasty.

So it was less cheating which happens at courts and more he didn't care enough to bother until he learned " Oh shite I don't shoot blanks."
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:43 am to
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Napoleon ruled longer. Napoleon faced more equal opposition. I think that puts him over the top.

Napoleon lost, twice. And he wasn't murdered by his own people, so that skews the findings a bit.

There's a reason every emperor was referred to as Caesar in the centuries that followed his death.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:48 am to
Alexander
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:49 am to
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The Napoleonic Code alone is the most important law code the world had ever seen
No, not by a long shot. It is important, but not THAT inmportant.

Ceaser was killed by his own people, not defeated and confined by his enemies. Kind of hard to overlook Napoleon losing close to 300,000 men on his Russia Campaign. His own ego destroyed him. But the French were some hardcore mfers before WWI.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:55 am to
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Magna Carta was a peace agreement, not code of laws
It's a legal code in that it's part of the British "constitution," defined the legal rights of the nobility and the government, and laid the basis for the social compact form of government.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:58 am to
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Not to mention the Louisiana Purchase
Which really was more the result of the Haitian slave revolt and Napoleon's crumbling Continental System. The LA Purchase is more a symbol of his failure than his success.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 1/20/18 at 11:14 am to
Easily Caesar. Napoleon was a literal cuck who died in exile on some shitty island. Caesar became the first emperor of the greatest empire that had ever existed through sheer force of will.

Also the napoleonic code while great is just a rehash of Justinian's code which is derived from ancient Roman law in the first place.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20653 posts
Posted on 1/20/18 at 11:20 am to
Let’s not pretend like Ceasar never lost.

And you could argue being killed by your own people is worse.

Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 11:32 am to
Caesar was never an emperor. Augustus was the first Roman emperor was Augustus
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 11:35 am to
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I think you could also make the case he also generally fought against better competition than what Ceaser faced.


Strength of schedule?
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20653 posts
Posted on 1/20/18 at 11:46 am to
The ulm campaign and the battle of austerlitz are often considered the pinnacle Napoleon highlights.

With the Ulm campaign, he tricks the Austrians that he is going to Italy and marches into Austria where he defeats and captures and Austrian army without a major battle.

With the Battle of Austerlitz, Napoleon, who was outnumbered by 15k, defeated a Russian and Austrian army and defeated two emperors at once.



I’m only on the 5th coalition right now in the biography I’m reading right now and so far, they’re suggesting Napoleon’s involvement t in Spain was his biggest mistake. 400k soldiers had to be stationed there to fight a gurilla war. And I think it was said that more French soldiers died against the Spanish (250k I think) than British, Prussian, and Austrian combined)

This post was edited on 1/20/18 at 11:48 am
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