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re: CA law aims to force people with mental illness or addiction to get help
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:13 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:13 pm to Obtuse1
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How come reopening asylums get almost universal support here?
I think it will be used for nefarious reasons by families like it was 60 years ago, so no for me.
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Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think it will be used for nefarious reasons by families like it was 60 years ago, so no for me.
It's a risk for sure.
I'm curious, let's hear your solution.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:29 pm to stout
Vagrants have taken over every major city with decent weather. Its too easy to be a homeless druggie in America so something has to be done. Letting things get worse becuase of the potential for abuse, is why we are where we are. If anybody has a better idea, let's hear it. Maybe they could privatize the rehab clinics instead of government wasting a lot of taxpayer money on pronouns and worthless crap. But im just glad to see they're finally trying to address the problem.
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think it will be used for nefarious reasons by families like it was 60 years ago, so no for me.
That didn't address my question, but I can't answer it either which is why I ask. Nobody seems to have any insight into the apparent hypocrisy.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:33 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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. Letting things get worse becuase of the potential for abuse is why we are where we are
The potential for abuse is just too great.
Homelessness is bad because we offer services and make it easy to live on the street as a druggy. I remember when encampments were in the woods away from towns, now they're on main street.
Most homeless aren't seriously mentally ill, theyre temporarily mentally ill due to drug use.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:35 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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So many people simultaneously acknowledge that mental healthcare is a complete joke in this country while being vehemently against just about any proposal to address the issue.
Because the coroner is elected.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:36 pm to stout
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The state has spent more than $20 billion in the last few years to help them, with mixed results.
Are we sure the results are mixed?
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:46 pm to deernaes
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They're gonna need a bigger asylum....
Raegan started the homeless cycle when he emptied the mental hospitals out in the 1980s. Families or charities were supposed to take care of them and it didn't happen. It got worse when they decriminalized drugs.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Homelessness is bad because we offer services and make it easy to live on the street as a druggy. I remember when encampments were in the woods away from towns, now they're on main street.
In no world is it "easy" to be homeless.
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Most homeless aren't seriously mentally ill, theyre temporarily mentally ill due to drug use
Good lord. The reason most of them use drugs is due to their mental illness Roger.
This is once again a case of you not knowing what you're talking about, yet thinking you have all the answers.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, mental illness is far more prevalent in Democrats. It you that needs to be concerned.
I will be sure to pass along your message to any Democrats I know.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:22 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Good lord. The reason most of them use drugs is due to their mental illness Roger.
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It is a common misconception that most homeless people are mentally ill. However, according to the 2019 Point in Time Count conducted in January, only 26% of the people who were unsheltered reported mental health issues 1. Similarly, a study conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health found that only 6% of the homeless population had severe mental illness 2. While mental illness is a contributing factor to homelessness, it is not the primary cause. In fact, the top two reasons for homelessness are finding a job that pays a sustainable wage and finding affordable housing 1.
Your Marxist arse continually gets owned.
Dont go cry to chicken again.
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This is once again a case of you not knowing what you're talking abou
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:33 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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I honestly can’t think of a single issue where this happens more than “mental health”
So many people simultaneously acknowledge that mental healthcare is a complete joke in this country while being vehemently against just about any proposal to address the issue.
This is spot on.
Last legislative session here I worked with multiple state legislators to try to utilizing funding for reopening longer term mental health facilities. Right now you have shorter term facilities that are absolutely full of people who have been hospitalized 3+ times because there is no where to put them. They just rotate in and out non-stop. And substance use facilities are either privately opened and unaffordable to the average Joe or state facilities are completely full.
It never even made it out of Committee. We were told that there’s no “money for it”. The state’s “rainy day fund” is sitting with a billion-plus surplus. We were also told by more than one legislator that their constituents wouldn’t like the idea of “locking someone up” for “mental issues”. Like a good chunk of the population sitting in Kentucky prisons don’t have mental issues.
It’s ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:38 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Maybe they could privatize the rehab clinics instead of government wasting a lot of taxpayer money on pronouns and worthless crap
Most substance use facilities in the US are already privatized. It’s created a Catch-22. If you don’t have money, you don’t get good treatment. The ones that aren’t are typically mixed use facilities and are full due to other mental health issues.
You have a large portion of people who have substance use issues who can’t afford treatment because they’re not poor enough for Medicaid and they’re not rich enough to pay thousands out of pocket.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:43 pm to RedlandsTiger
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Raegan started the homeless cycle when he emptied the mental hospitals out in the 1980s
Another myth. LINK
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Even in 1950, only about a third of people with mental illness were living in psychiatric hospitals and other facilities. More than half already lived in communities, with family or on their own.
De-institutionalizing started in the 50s.
Social engineers exacerbated it to mainstream people
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:44 pm to stout
Imagine how nice San Francisco could be if we shipped all the mentally ill off to psych wards
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:47 pm to stout
There is no other way to address the issue of addiction, mental illness, and homelessness in places like CA except through force.
It is apparent that the current system of monetary support and housing isn’t working.
At some point, as you would with legal proceedings and medical care, it has to be taken into account that these individuals cannot make decisions due to not being in sound mind.
Is it a possible abuse situation? Sure, but it is clearly out of control and there may not be any other option at this point.
Scruffy would have zero problems leaving these individuals to their own devices if the rest of the citizenry did not have to support them through taxation.
Since they are being supported through taxation, they should lose a degree of autonomy.
It is apparent that the current system of monetary support and housing isn’t working.
At some point, as you would with legal proceedings and medical care, it has to be taken into account that these individuals cannot make decisions due to not being in sound mind.
Is it a possible abuse situation? Sure, but it is clearly out of control and there may not be any other option at this point.
Scruffy would have zero problems leaving these individuals to their own devices if the rest of the citizenry did not have to support them through taxation.
Since they are being supported through taxation, they should lose a degree of autonomy.
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:49 pm to tiggerthetooth
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They're going to start euthanizing people.
Would not the fine folks of the OT cheer this decision?
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:50 pm to Scruffy
I'm absolutely shocked that someone that holds a medical license would be for granting his lot more authority and power. Stunned
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:51 pm to stout
We absolutely need laws to make it easier for involuntary commitment, full stop. Too many insane people among us which is a danger to society.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 1:52 pm to stout
If Texas did this, it would be received much differently. This is needed nationwide.
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