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re: Burning question: How did Portuguese evolve as a language distinct from Spanish?

Posted on 5/26/26 at 3:38 pm to
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 3:38 pm to
Kinda like Cajun accents and southern accents.

Pretty much same place but talk just talk a little different
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 3:42 pm to


Topography and population dispersion explains a lot.
Mountainous border and sparsely populated border region probably account for the cultural isolation.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 3:45 pm to
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Well, for starters - Belgian isnt a language.


I have been to Belgium.

My understanding is that Flemish is one of the two languages spoken in Belgium, along with French. And Flemish is a dialect of Dutch.
Posted by F1y0n7h3W4LL
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 3:47 pm to
My mom's neighbors hosted an exchange student from Spain a couple of years ago. At the time, I was toying around with a foreign language app and was nowhere near conversant with Spanish, but I tried. She was from near Barcelona.

While engaging her several times about the languages and culture of the area, I found that her kitchen table language was Catalan (which I had never even heard of), then Spanish, French, Italian, and English. I was amazed at the 17 year old's grasp of the world.

It is shocking to me that you can drive 100 miles and be in another country and immersed in a different language.

Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 3:57 pm to
Also Spain has like 4 or 5 languages. Spanish is just the dominant.
Basque is even more different than Portugese, and Catalan is different too.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:02 pm to
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My mom's neighbors hosted an exchange student from Spain a couple of years ago. At the time, I was toying around with a foreign language app and was nowhere near conversant with Spanish, but I tried. She was from near Barcelona.

While engaging her several times about the languages and culture of the area, I found that her kitchen table language was Catalan (which I had never even heard of), then Spanish, French, Italian, and English. I was amazed at the 17 year old's grasp of the world.

It is shocking to me that you can drive 100 miles and be in another country and immersed in a different language.


Another weird thing about Europe is that there are a few "micro" states like Andorra.

Monaco is the most famous one.

Andorra sits between France and Spain. It is ruled jointly by 2 princes. One is a bishop from Spain, and the other is the president of France.

Another one is Liechtenstein that sits between Switzerland and Austria. It is ruled by a prince. Why not just declare yourself king???
Posted by TulsaSooner78
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:03 pm to
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Napoleon


Username checks out.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:07 pm to
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My understanding is that Flemish is one of the two languages spoken in Belgium, along with French. And Flemish is a dialect of Dutch.


Yes, basically modern Dutch is Flemish.

That was my point. Belgium is between The Netherlands, France and Germany.

So, they didn't end up with their own language - they speak all three neighboring languages - with a Belgian accent, no less.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:16 pm to
Naturally, the O-T would be home to linguistic experts as well.
Posted by Defenseiskey
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:22 pm to
Catalan and especially Basque (isn't even Latin based) are also distinct but they all speak Spanish since they're apart of the Spanish crown.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:31 pm to
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Andorra sits between France and Spain. It is ruled jointly by 2 princes. One is a bishop from Spain, and the other is the president of France.



The country has two post offices one for France and the other for Spain.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:36 pm to
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the centuries-long Christian reconquest


We need to run this back fam.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:48 pm to
I think there are a few Occitan speakers in spain as well.
Posted by JerryTheKingBawler
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 5:19 pm to
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Posted by BregmansWheelbarrow
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 5:31 pm to
Portuguese has definitely always sounded more slavic than latin based to me.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 6:18 pm to
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Basque
Euskara is completely different from every language in the world. It has no proven relationship to any other living language family. It's the most isolated language in the world of language isolates.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14384 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 6:33 pm to
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BasqueEuskara is completely different from every language in the world. It has no proven relationship to any other living language family. It's the most isolated language in the world of language isolates.


I’ve more than once been sucked down rabbit holes on the Basque language. It’s absolutely fascinating. Their cheesecakes are pretty dope as well.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 7:06 pm to
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the Basque language. It’s absolutely fascinating
I've been obsessed with Basque culture since my 20s. I'm finally getting the opportunity to travel there in October.
Posted by Jay Are
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 7:24 pm to
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Portugal is nothing more than "western" Spain. Portugal shares no border with any other country. It is completely surrounded by Spain except for its western coast.


Catalan and Basque all exist as totally distinct languages from Spanish within Spain (and Andorra).
Posted by KirbySmartass
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 7:40 pm to
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