re: Bud Light suffers bloodbath as longtime and loyal consumers revolt

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With proper counseling..... I would imagine very different. There was a time when this sort of transition required hundreds of hours of therapy to ascertain if a person believed this was a magic pill that would somehow fix all of their problems.

That requirement has since fallen by the wayside.

Why?

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I'm going to blame capitalism for this one. No, I'm not some communist scum, hear me out.

So we already know that hormone treatments and surgeries are very lucrative. The physician / hospital system will essentially have a patient for life either way.

But looking outside what has become a medical/sociological complex, You have products for males and products for females. Now a corporation starts making products for a 'third' gender.' It catches on as we are a nation of drug addicted, perpetually depressed consumers. It starts making money.

A new market share has been created! And what happens next?

Advertisement kicks in, more products are made targeting this 'new gender' or 'new identity' on it goes, everyone gets into it pretty much. People latch onto it and make it part of their 'identity' just like they do with products they purchase. It gets increasingly political and increasingly commercialized and commodified.

And advertisement pushes even harder, because you can essentially 'create' this market share out of thin air. And so it becomes an identity, added to the lgblahblah, like goth kids, emo kids, preppy kids, and so on.

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Now tell me how we are to administer and enforce a law against such things without invading the privacy of every child and parent with more morally sound medical needs? What about non-functioning parts that could be corrected? Or ambiguous parts? What if the child mutilates him- or herself and a surgical decision must be made?

I assure you that it pains me as much as all of you that some children go through awful things, and I truly understand the desire to try to cut some of it out off the top. I just wholeheartedly disagree with more government in medical decisions. I have to draw that line at the doctor's door

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Perhaps it may be a slippery slope, but I think we can all agree that giving into the whims of children, whether encouraged by the parents or other social factors, is probably a pretty good red line.

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Perhaps it may be a slippery slope, but I think we can all agree that giving into the whims of children, whether encouraged by the parents or other social factors, is probably a pretty good red line.

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Yeah agreed.

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Korkstand

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Jeeeez this guy must really, really love Bud Light.

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What about non-functioning parts that could be corrected? Or ambiguous parts? What if the child mutilates him- or herself and a surgical decision must be made?

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Generally, no....pretty much always, these type issues aren't up for much debate or interpretation. Such issues are identified and documented by a medical professional very early on.

I know a person who was born with neither sex organ. They had nothing. No penis, no vagina, no internal reproductive organs, no testicles, nothing. The parents chose not to know the gender prior to birth, and when the baby was born they asked, "Is it a boy or a girl?". The doctor had to legitimately answer, "I don't know."

That began a long winding road of a pretty good life that kid winded up having. There were lots of doctors, and there was a plan that was put in place and followed. Other than that, the kid lived a normal life of school, sports, and band. As a nod to the Nature vs Nurture debate, the parents chose to raise the kid as a girl. The kid grew into a tomboy, but not overly so. By the time she reached her late teens and went off to college (the kid was otherwise perfectly healthy with no defects, mental or physical) she had figured out that she is a lesbian. Or, is she?

I can ramble on with this story, but the point is that the kid's condition was apparent from the second they were born. There was no debate. There was no doctor shopping. There was no accusations of abuse or neglect to be levied. The vast majority of similar cases are the same.

This experience is why I always say that there are three legitimate options:
1. Dangly bits
2. No dangly bits
3. Neither dangly or no dangly bits

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I assure you that it pains me as much as all of you that some children go through awful things, and I truly understand the desire to try to cut some of it out off the top. I just wholeheartedly disagree with more government in medical decisions. I have to draw that line at the doctor's door.

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They’re kids, you stupid frick. They can make their life long decision when they reach 18.

Go away

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They’re kids, you stupid frick. They can make their life long decision when they reach 18.

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And until then is it the parent's or the government's decision?

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And until then is it the parent's?

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Yes

100% yes.

And I am daaaaamn curious to hear your contention to the contrary.

Because I may have a shitload of follow ups about drugs, alcohol, tattoos, sexual consent, et al. . .if you think an 6-year-old kid can consent to radical and life-altering medical procedures.


ETA: just popped in here and am HOPING this question is out of context. I like to assu,e functional-basic-intellect for everyone until proven otherwise

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Yes

100% yes.

And I am daaaaamn curious to hear your contention to the contrary.

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I agree with you. If you want to fight about it you'll have to talk with these other folks who want government making the call.