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re: Brianna Kupfer murder suspect with lengthy rap sheet was out on bail

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Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:00 am to
the glaring thing about this type of case is how many times Smith’s criminal history didnt seem to matter to the ADA or the Court in his long history of criminal behavior

the dude is a public menace



and you can see his descent into madness in the ten years of mug shots
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
423384 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:01 am to
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But if you cant afford bail you stay in jail until your court date. which could be a good wait.

So how is that presumed innocent?

The system is fricked up. That's my point.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423384 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:02 am to
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maybe a dozen or so arrests, that you should no longer be presumed innocent.

That's a path to tyranny.

There shouldn't be many absolutes in any system dealing with people, but that's an absolute. Presumed innocent until proven guilty after proper due process. No exceptions.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19713 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:08 am to
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prisoners rights".


Where it all went wrong.


Give them three meals a day, showers, clothing and a bed.
Posted by rexorotten
Missouri
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:08 am to
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:29 am to
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You mean when I started a discussion

No, I mean like where you stated something profoundly stupid and then proceeded to fail at defending your profoundly stupid statement for 19 pages against people continuously pointing out how profoundly stupid your statement was.

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on the issue because it's a relevant and serious issue we faced during the CV pandemic?

Except it wasn’t. Hospitals were never overrun or anywhere close to it. The possibility of certain icu’s being full has both happened previously during severe flu seasons or after catastrophic events, and could happen in the future if all of the fatasses like yourself suddenly started having heart attacks at the same time.

But you wanted to exempt all of those other groups and situations from your “discussion” because you’re an irrational, emotional covid moron. Meanwhile you sit in this thread lamenting others for being emotional and irrational.

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Your misstatement

This doesn’t exist, and your failed attempts at obfuscating your own stupidity don’t make it exist either.

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directly addressed by me on page 2:

You posting an exact contradiction of yourself on page 2 of a thread you started is evidence of nothing besides you being terrible at presenting a coherent argument.

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I'm all about personal responsibility.

That explains why you, an obese person, immediately moved to exempt obese people from your denying healthcare to others based on your own personal choices argument.

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I didn't realize personal responsibility was so controversial.

It’s not, and you trying to frame your pathetic arguments in this manner is just another example of failure from you, a supposed “lawyer”
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 11:43 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116321 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:33 am to
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There shouldn't be many absolutes in any system dealing with people, but that's an absolute. Presumed innocent until proven guilty after proper due process. No exceptions.



Agreed, but Judges should also have some leeway to put longer sentences in place based on a crazy number of arrests.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:36 am to
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See this is where you create strawman arguments

See this is where your own stupidity is turned against you and you have no response, so you start whining about strawman arguments.

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Nowhere was that the ONLY thing I care abou

What other decision making factors did you repeat 4 times and bold on the first page of this thread?

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you make an assumption to fit your belief and then strawman it up.

You say profoundly stupid things, get called out on it, and instead of actually defending them you then attempt to say you didn’t say those profoundly stupid things.

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I'm willing to discuss a rational system where we could work towards a definitive answer of your hypothetical,

It’s a yes or no question, “lawyer”

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you have to understand nuance and argue honestly to do that.

You have to display a modicum of intelligence to become someone worth having a discussion with.

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You just want to snipe, for some reason.

Sniping would be you selectively choosing 2 sentences out of a long post that you think you can formulate a response to and failing to address the rest.

Why don’t you want to talk about (post you didn’t reply to) anymore?

Why don’t you want to talk about emotional thinking anymore?

Why aren’t you wondering what jails are part of the discussion around presumed innocent people anymore?

Why don’t you want to talk about Google results anymore?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:41 am to
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but Judges should also have some leeway to put longer sentences in place based on a crazy number of arrests.

We do have that for felonies with habitual offender laws.

Will be much tougher with misdemeanors b/c of the 1-year rule in most jurisdictions.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423384 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:47 am to
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No, I mean like where you stated something profoundly stupid and then proceeded to fail at defending your profoundly stupid statement for 19 pages against people continuously pointing out how profoundly stupid your statement was.

oh...ok.

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Hospitals were never overrun or anywhere close to it. The possibility of certain icu’s being full has both happened previously during severe flu seasons or after catastrophic events

So it didn't happen but it does happen. Got it.

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and could happen in the future if all of the fatasses like yourself suddenly started having heart attacks at the same time.


Ad hom attacks

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irrational, emotional covid moron



You do realize that constantly relying on ad hom attacks and using meme arguments (emotional!) incorrect are literally examples of emotional thinking, right?

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You posting an exact contradiction of yourself on page 2 of a thread you started

Again. Your homework was to start to comprehend nuance, friend.

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That explains why you, an obese person, immediately moved to exempt obese people from your denying healthcare to others based on your own personal choices argument.

That's not even what I did. I removed that "argument" from my discussion proactively. You have to do that (and I forgot in my last thread that you linked) or else all you get is meme arguments and people trying to divert the discussion.

Posted by LCLa
Member since Apr 2017
3157 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:58 am to
Damn if only he’d been arrested just fior having weed he’d have still been behind bars…

[ON] SARCASM OFF
Posted by Demshoes
Up in here
Member since Aug 2015
10218 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:06 pm to
To be fair, he was getting his life in order. Was going to enroll in the local community college and midnight basketball program.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:09 pm to
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oh...ok.

Yes. Your lack of response is telling.

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So it didn't happen

No, it didn’t.

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but it does happen.

Yes, it has in the past and can in the future.

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Got it.

Clearly not.

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Ad hom attacks

Facts are not ad hominem attacks. They’re just facts.

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You do realize that constantly relying on ad hom attacks and using meme arguments (emotional!) incorrect are literally examples of emotional thinking, right?

You do realize that failing at classifying facts as ad hominem attacks and calling everything that proves your stupidity a meme argument are just the latest examples of you displaying emotional thinking, right?

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Again. Your homework was to start to comprehend nuance, friend.

You completely avoiding the point and attempting to change the subject is so pathetically transparent.

Have you learned what “ensure” and “lawyer” mean yet?

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That's not even what I did.

It’s exactly what you did.

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I removed that "argument" from my discussion proactively.

Somehow you think restating exactly what I just said and attempting to pass it off as your own thought is helping your case?

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You have to do that (and I forgot in my last thread that you linked) or else all you get is meme arguments

So you have to exempt yourself and other groups that you don’t want to be implicated jn your argument because if not people will accurately point out that the argument applies to you, and you can’t handle that.

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and people trying to divert the discussion

You mean like you done throughout this thread, “lawyer”?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31306 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:33 pm to
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Why are jails a point of this discussion when the discussion is about people who are presumed innocent?


Because we have the ability as a species to realize that some people who are charged with a crime are too dangerous to release back into society, and therefore hold them without bail.
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
29164 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:35 pm to
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SlowFlowPro


You're quickly falling off the deep end.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31306 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:38 pm to
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the glaring thing about this type of case is how many times Smith’s criminal history didnt seem to matter to the ADA or the Court in his long history of criminal behavior

the dude is a public menace


But I've been told black people in the US are being over policed and over incarcerated. How can this be?
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71506 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:39 pm to
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Oh dude is clearly a POS, but using bail as a punitive measure is a bad policy/philosophy. It completely fricks the system.



You're getting shite on, but you're not wrong. When people actually do violent shite, they should get pretty lengthy sentences, or we should revamp the entire system to turn them into something that can exist in society. I have no issue with the bail, but I have an issue with him firing a gun into an occupied vehicle and apparently getting less than 3 years of prison.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80399 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:39 pm to
You wonder when some of these victims’ families are going to start going Law Abiding Citizen on the system.

This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
9549 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:40 pm to
Just hang that mother fricker when you catch him.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34232 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:45 pm to
We have to put the insecurities of capital punishment behind us. "Barbarism" or crime run amuck. Personally, I prefer public execution broadcast to the masses.
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