re: Brianna Kupfer murder suspect with lengthy rap sheet was out on bail

Can someone please explain why I care what happens in a state, where I do no live? It might as well be in a foreign country.

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why do you keep repeating things that most of us already know...

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There are a lot of bureaucracy-loving authoritarians on this board who blindly support our police state.

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and he said on several occasions, he has had cops joking with him right after testimony about how they lied on the stand.

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This happens a LOT more than people realize.

And it's not even that they're inherently evil (although some are), it's just that they're caught up in their own "system". They would likely have to implicate other officers involved in the lie, and they hate breaking through the blue wall.

And a lot of this bullshite isn't over violent criminals like in OP. Most of it is stupid drug bullshite or borderline DWIs that probably shouldn't be a crime. But, they have to keep enforcing/prosecuting or the money train ends and people start getting fired.

*ETA: my local prosecutors are very reasonable about BS but if you go outside of my jurisdiction it can get very dicey very quickly. I have one outside my main base where the ADA admitted to me a few weeks ago that they had no evidence against my guy. Before he got an attorney they were trying to just force a plea.

$1000 for a misdemeanor is pretty standard, even in more law/order areas like LA.

Now, you wander into a REAL law/order area? You may be in trouble if the judge doesn't like you, legal or not. Again, there is a particular parish around mine where this is a direct threat for anyone.

It seems like people are trying to warp the $1000 for a misdemeanor into the other charge out of SC, which was pretty high at $50k.

That's why I've been phrasing this in terms of being punitive, b/c extreme bonds for misdemeanors is a system of legit totalitarianism.

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That's why I've been phrasing this in terms of being punitive, b/c extreme bonds for misdemeanors is a system of legit totalitarianism.

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I am generally in this corner with you. Having had family in law enforcement let me see some of how that sausage is made and it isn't always pretty.

My only issue with the misdemeanor is that we don't know what the misdemeanor was so don't know if it was an appropriate charge of driven by other factors given a lot of what goes on in prosecutors offices in certain places.

But it is sorely true that people do not really understand the purpose of bail and seemingly forget about the presumption of innocence in many cases.

Ultimately, I'd like to know more. The bail price is not really the issue here in my opinion as well. It is just easy for people to glom onto.

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This is extremely rich coming from you

There are plenty other examples, just in this thread, about you not replying to posts directed at you. But let’s just start at that one for now.

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that the system needs to be rational and based on data. If there is data that shows certain variables are likely to increase the chance of violating bail, then they need to be addressed with rational responses.

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Are people presumed innocent until proven guilty or not? Because that’s all you cared about earlier in this thread. A quick count shows you mentioning it 4 times on the first page alone.

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The irrational-emotional "punishment" mindset needs to be dropped.

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So should “the most dangerous guys” be put in jail while they are still presumed innocent or not?

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Emotional thinking is bad.

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Holy. fricking. shite.

Pot calling kettle black does not even begin to describe this situation.

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The very worst would be denied bail entirely.

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Why are jails a point of this discussion when the discussion is about people who are presumed innocent?

So the above statement is no longer accurate? Or you’re just in favor of “the very worst” being set completely free without even having to post bail?

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I'm not against the concept of pretrial detention.

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So now you are in favor of jails entering the discussion about presumed innocent people.

Again, how much of a fricking failure can a supposed “lawyer” be?

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When you are literally incapable of forming a response, this is what you post.

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"Bail is meant to ensure" only has 92k results on google If you take out the quotes? 28.9M results

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Covid vaccine prevents infection has 5.7 million results on Google.

2020 election fraud has 243 million.

What else do you want to fail at today, “lawyer”?

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It's not supposed to be punitive and the person is presumed innocent at that point in the process.

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But if you cant afford bail you stay in jail until your court date. which could be a good wait.

So how is that presumed innocent?

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You mean like when you said people that didn’t want to take an experimental vaccine that does not prevent infection or transmission of a virus should be held responsible for “denying others healthcare”?

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You mean when I started a discussion on the issue because it's a relevant and serious issue we faced during the CV pandemic?



WE MUST NOT DISCUSSS ISSUES.

Your misstatement was even directly addressed by me on page 2:

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No I'm saying that if you're unvaccinated and you take up a bed that leads to a person without covid being denied service, you bear personal responsibility for that.

Quote me where I said that healthcare should be denied to an unvaccinated person.

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I'm all about personal responsibility. I mean I believe in a state with a lot less government involved, and that only works if people take personal responsibility for their choices and actions.

I didn't realize personal responsibility was so controversial.

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Are people presumed innocent until proven guilty or not? Because that’s all you cared about earlier in this thread.

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See this is where you create strawman arguments.

Nowhere was that the ONLY thing I care about, but you make an assumption to fit your belief and then strawman it up.

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So should “the most dangerous guys” be put in jail while they are still presumed innocent or not?

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I'm willing to discuss a rational system where we could work towards a definitive answer of your hypothetical, but you have to understand nuance and argue honestly to do that. You just want to snipe, for some reason.