re: BR smoking ban fails

Good. frick government meddling in private businesses.

You have a problem with the private businesses allowing smoking in their establishments?--then just fricking go somewhere else. Let your money do the talking and the market will respond. Hell, most bars in BR are already smoke-free and have been for several years.

That's how capitalism works, children. Don't go cry to the government every time private entities do something you don't like.

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So is drinking

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Sure is. And the government places restrictions on businesses and persons in respect of alcohol.

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Is it more harmful than alcohol, certain foods, cokes, pollution?

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It IS pollution in a way so take that one off, but the rest are things I choose to put in my body. Second hand smoke in a public place I have no choice.

Smoking IS more harmful that drinking. Unless you drink like a smoker smokes. All day every day. Then alcohol is more damaging. Most people who drink do not drink from morning coffee to bedtime like a smoker does. I can not have 5 beer breaks or drink breaks during a work day like a smoker. That would be an episode of Mad Men.

But if you drink like a smoker smokes you are a broken down drunk. Not saying smokers are broken down, just trying to clarify.

I would even say that bars likely did BETTER business wise after the bans took place.


When you ban smoking in bars, you open them to people that quit going to bars because for whatever reason (asthma, allergies, personal preference). Again...nowadays more people don't smoke than smoke in many places. So bars will still keep the customers that smoked(cause where else are they gonna go....every bar doesn't allow smoking) and they gain more customers from the patrons that quit going before the bans cause the smoke bugging them.

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A public environment that you CHOSE to be at. How do you not get this? If you don't like it, then go to another place.


The same can be said for smokers.

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No it can't if ALL of the bars are forced to prohibit smoking. A lot of people like to drink and smoke together. Why shouldn't a business be allowed to cater to that desire if it wants to?

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why is it right for your actions to effect my environment?


Because their actions are not actively causing you harm.

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Actually, in some situations, banning smoking does cause harm. Forcing people to go outside if they want to smoke exposes them to weather conditions that may be bad, puts them in a less secure environment in which they are more at risk of being robbed, attacked, injured in an accident, etc. And, oh by the way, by having their fricking freedom taken away for no god-damned good reason.

The bar also suffers by having customers spending more time outside and less inside drinking, making it harder to maintain security because a lot of their crowd is outside. Of course, that's not even to mention the legal problems that a bar can face when its patrons are hanging around outside making noise, sneaking out drinks, etc.

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Oh, Jesus.

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Enjoy your prayer because if you think it's not a competitive opportunity you're wrong as frick. There are bars all over that voluntarily banned smoking as a business decision because they found it more profitable to cater to the crowd who didn't want to be around smoke than to the crowd who wanted to smoke. There are also other bars who do the exact opposite for the exact opposite reason.

You obviously aren't rational on this subject, so no point in further discussion. I wonder why smoking is the only poor health decision that bothers you so much you have to punish people criminally for doing it?

Did you have an extra donut with your coffee? frick you! Pay a $1000 fine! Is that how we should live now?

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Why do people think going to a bar is some sort of right? The bar should choose what it wants and the patrons should choose where they go

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Going to public places is a right. Being able to breathe in those spaces is a right.

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I work at a small bar where this ban would effect and I know for a fact that my earnings would decrease SIGNIFIGANTLY

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That is a crappy bar then. If it is not a crappy bar, as I've said, patrons will protest for a week or so. But regulars are regulars for a reason. They'll be back.

It's finally out here in Katy. To my knowledge it was not a ban. The businesses or at least the property owners chose to make their properties smoke free.

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You obviously aren't rational on this subject, so no point in further discussion. I wonder why smoking is the only poor health decision that bothers you so much you have to punish people criminally for doing it?

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Criminal ? How are you being punished criminally? If you choose to walk into a non smoking and light up while saying frick you then you might have a problem.

Many peoples poor health decisions bother me. But none more so than smoking. Because if you smoke near me, I am smoking too. Whether I wanted to or not. That is what is at issue.

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It's finally out here in Katy. To my knowledge it was not a ban. The businesses or at least the property owners chose to make their properties smoke free.

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Good for them. They CHOSE what was best for their business. Sounds like a good thing for a BUSINESS to be able to do. So, why in the world shouldn't they be able to do it?

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Going to public places is a right. Being able to breathe in those spaces is a right.

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You also have a right not to have your eardrums burst by excessive loud music. That means if the bar is playing music too loud, you go somewhere else. To another bar. That doesn't have its music so loud because they want to attract customers who prefer a quieter environment.

The whole bullshite about second hand smoke and not being able to breathe is a crock of shite anyway. If someone's cigarette smoke were ACTUALLY bothering you, you would have died a long time ago the first time you ever crossed a busy street. Every car you see today will emit more toxins TODAY than a smoker will in his entire lifetime of smoking.