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re: Boy Scouts to change name after allowing girls to join
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:47 pm to btnetigers
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:47 pm to btnetigers
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:53 pm to The Boat
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Well that’s not true at all. The leadership’s taken a pretty consistent path the last decade.
Please tell me your experience with that and how you have the standing to make such a statement. Because that is 100 percent inaccurate.
What about the organization's ideals and program has changed?
The only thing that has changed is that they now allow gay scouts, if they want to learn about knots and outdoor living and camping and leadership, the gay boys can now participate. And now, girls as well.
That has nothing to do with the organization changing or becoming more liberal. It has everything to do with allowing anyone who wants to learn those skills, to learn them.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:59 pm to hob
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So, can gay boys sleep together? It's not a question of if something will happen. It's a matter of when and the local leader will be the scapegoat.
If two gay kids are in a tent and play with each other... I mean really... who the hell cares? Not like one of them can get pregnant. And if it's a situation of assault, there are certainly ways to handle it.
News flash... there have always been gay kids in scouting. Now, it's just recognized.
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There simply isn't enough women that want to go into the outdoors for long periods of time. It takes more than one to make a successful outing. This will also be the problem for girls in the BSA. In Venture, anytime there's a girl on an outing you must have a female leader. I have seen many Venture crews fail because of this simple requirement. The same female leader can't make every outing and then trips start getting cancelled. I imagine BSA troops will fail when they can't find enough female leaders and have to cancel trips for both boys and girls due to a lack of female leadership.
Valid point and I'm curious to see how this works out. The fact that girls/boys need to be in separate patrols/dens will probably keep the numbers down.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:01 pm to bayou choupique
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my son is currently heavily involved as a cub scout. We recently attended a cuboree and girls were already there in uniforms. I did not talk to my son about it yet be he did notice the girls as asked me why they were in uniform. Later on that day i informed him that girls were now allowed and he honestly didn't know what to say. I told him to think about it and I'd support him what ever decision he makes to stay or leave.
So later that night a few parents started talking about it. Turns out one of the pack leaders will not return and 2 out of 10 parents in our den not sure if they will return next year.
Your son is at an age where he thinks girls have cooties. Beyond that I find it hard to understand how having girls there impacts his experience.
I'm also not sure why parents in your den will not return, since girls won't be in your den. They will have their own den.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:04 pm to hob
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I was an assistant scoutmaster for 14 years. I stepped away when the decision was made to allow gay boys in troops. Not because I'm against gay kids. It's because the national organization left the local volunteer leaders hanging out there. There are MANY rules in place to protect the kids and leaders from bad things. Changes were made without thinking about how those rules extend.
Perfectly stated. I had been involved in Boy Scout leadership for over a decade and stepped out when the new policies took effect. I was the scoutmaster for almost 100 boys at the time.
Same exact reasons as you did.
Boy scouts should be about boys becoming men. Not about gay issues, not about girls, and not about society and acceptance. It should be about helping young boys learn how to become independent men.
That can't happen when you change the focus and certainly can't happen when you put girls with them.
I was all for a "dont ask dont tell" policy regarding gay scouts. I would never support gay scout leaders because it is a boundary violation waiting to happen. Look how often teachers sleep with students. How much more would it happen if teachers took the kids overnight in the woods for days? I would not let my son serve under a gay scout leader any more than I would let a heterosexual guy take my daughter off on a trip for a few days.
(Boy) scouts is a dead organization. It just does not know it yet.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:05 pm to dawgfan24348
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Can't wait for the all the parents to complain about the kids fricking on camping trips
How is a scout master supposed to frick a little boy when they are lined up outside Judy's tent to run a train on her?
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:06 pm to TH03
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What a shame. Were the girl scouts not good enough?
Boy Scouts numbers have been dropping for years. This isn't something they are doing for inclusion. It's for their survival as an organization.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:08 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Boy Scouts is far more family friendly than Girl Scouts when it comes to camping as well. Pretty much any family member or parent can attend a Boy Scout camping trip as long as the required number of trained leaders are there, while Girl Scouts only allows trained leaders go on camping trips (as far as I know).
Still the case.
It goes further than that.
My oldest decided to join a few years ago as a Brownie. My wife asked me to facilitate that. I did some research (the girl scout troops here don't do much recruiting - a big and strange issue) and I found the name and e-mail address of their local service unit director (like a regional leader). I e-mailed her, told her of my daughter's desire to join, mentioned I was an Eagle Scout, and told her while I didn't have the time to dedicate to being a full volunteer, I would be glad to help where my schedule allowed.
2 weeks later, I got a response back that basically said, "We don't need help from Eagle Scouts, that's a completely different program and we run things completely different, so your experience won't be helpful at all".
Meanwhile... women have been leaders in Cub Scouts (i.e. same age as Brownies) for decades.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
What a dumbass count, she doesn’t know much about Eagle Scouts, and of what benefit they could be to her future little junior leaguers 
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:13 pm to Thorny
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Where I think/hope this ends up is where most of the current Troops remain as they are and a few of their sponsoring organizations create girl Troops. The girls who are interested in remaining after Cub Scouts can go there so they have enough girls and leaders to make a functioning Troop. There are drawbacks, as when Troops start competing with other Troops for boys. But, I suspect most Troops have neither the interest or the resources to support a second girls Troop.
I think it will be an incredible story if female participation rates hit 10 percent. I would be stunned, really.
If a Scout District has 15 boy troops... I can see them having 1 or 2 girl troops, and like you said, it might even be with a different sponsoring organization.
The only time I see boys and girls camping together is a summer camp, winter camp, and jamborees, and you can bet your last dollar that the systems set up to prevent any funny business will be extreme.
I mean, look at organizations like Key Club or Beta Club. They have conventions and conferences with boys and girls. They make it work - with a lot of restriction, adult supervision, and bed checks.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:14 pm to Hangover Haven
What a fall from grace. So many great, high achieving Eagle Scouts, only to ruin the entire organization and history of it by changing the base premise of it
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If two gay kids are in a tent and play with each other... I mean really... who the hell cares? Not like one of them can get pregnant. And if it's a situation of assault, there are certainly ways to handle it.
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That's the point. The local leader will find out who cares when he/she is held responsible and faces a civil lawsuit.
I refuse to be put in that situation.
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If two gay kids are in a tent and play with each other... I mean really... who the hell cares? Not like one of them can get pregnant. And if it's a situation of assault, there are certainly ways to handle it.
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That's the point. The local leader will find out who cares when he/she is held responsible and faces a civil lawsuit.
I refuse to be put in that situation.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:19 pm to LSUFanHouston
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2 weeks later, I got a response back that basically said, "We don't need help from Eagle Scouts, that's a completely different program and we run things completely different, so your experience won't be helpful at all"
Wow...what was your response to that?
She's just mad that people have actually heard of the Eagle Scout award. I mean, who here knew that the highest award in Girl Scouts was the Gold Award before I mentioned it earlier?
Hell, Boy Scouts allows female leaders that have earned the Gold Award to wear the pin on their BSA uniform. Crazy that they have such an attitude to Boy Scouts, especially before opening it up to girls.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:19 pm to hob
So if Little Johnny gives Little Joey a BJ at 2 am in a tent... the scoutmaster is going to be sued?
Come on.
Again... even before they "officially" let gay scouts in... what prevented Little Joey from giving Little Johnny a hummer in the tent?
Nothing is actually changing here.
Also, considering the interests of most gay high school boys, they don't exactly align with sleeping in a tent and crapping in a hole.
So much being made over so little.
Come on.
Again... even before they "officially" let gay scouts in... what prevented Little Joey from giving Little Johnny a hummer in the tent?
Nothing is actually changing here.
Also, considering the interests of most gay high school boys, they don't exactly align with sleeping in a tent and crapping in a hole.
So much being made over so little.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
Little Johnny just getting another merit badge 
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:23 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Wow...what was your response to that?
She's just mad that people have actually heard of the Eagle Scout award. I mean, who here knew that the highest award in Girl Scouts was the Gold Award before I mentioned it earlier?
Hell, Boy Scouts allows female leaders that have earned the Gold Award to wear the pin on their BSA uniform. Crazy that they have such an attitude to Boy Scouts, especially before opening it up to girls.
I wrote her back and said something to the effect of "OK, don't come crying when you need volunteers". I also told my wife that while I would support my daughter, that any communication with the troop would be her responsibility. Because of the absolute crap troop she was in, and the fact that all of the other troops in the area were crap, my daughter did not renew for a second year.
My youngest then tried a few years later. Same crap troops, same crap leaders, same crap results.
And to cap it all... my sister is a Gold Award winner and actually a girl scout troop leader in another state. She was horrified at how I was treated.
Ever see Troop Beverly Hills? The actions of the Beverly Hills girl scout troop were a parody. The actions of the district leadership were 100 percent accurate.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:23 pm to 777Tiger
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Little Johnny just getting another merit badge
Considering all merit badges have a graphic on them... I don't want to know what that graphic looks like
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So much being made over so little.
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Find a local troop and volunteer. They need the help.
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So much being made over so little.
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Find a local troop and volunteer. They need the help.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:54 pm to hob
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Find a local troop and volunteer. They need the help.
I have. I will never have the time (I have girls of my own) to dedicate to a troop as much as you have. I have served as merit badge counselor and have helped friends of mine as needed with their troop activities.
I wish I could do more... but that would take me away from the activities of my own kids.
We are going to talk to our daughters this summer about any interest in Cub Scouts.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:58 pm to dawgfan24348
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Can't wait for the all the parents to complain about the kids fricking on camping trips
Better than the scout master fricking kids on camping trips.
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