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re: Boy Scouts to change name after allowing girls to join
Posted on 5/3/18 at 9:57 am to dgnx6
Posted on 5/3/18 at 9:57 am to dgnx6
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Here's the problem, the boy that likes to play dress up and bake cookies with mom wouldnt be allowed in the girl scouts, so hes left with nothing. Bu yeah, frick the young men and boys of this country.
So.... girl scouts isn't about baking cookies and playing dress up.
It is more about community service than anything. The troops money that is raised from cookie sales goes 100% to a charitable cause (yes, the individual girls get prizes for themselves based upon sales. But the troop as a whole keeps nothing).
And yes, the community outreach is often what girls would want to do (help an all girls orphanage, help the humane society, help the senior center, etc. ).
There are 2 problems with girl scouts. 1) the upper level and district level leadership sucks. Out of touch. And they don't care.
2) the girls see their brothers do cool things like build campfires (illegal for girl scouts until age 14), shoot bb guns/archery, etc.. The girl scouts have advantages (young girls can do a ropes course where cub scouts cant. Young girls can do canoing without an adult in the boat where cub scouts cant). But they don't focus on that when the cub scouts are camping once a month doing a much longer list of things that can be done much more frequently.
A lot of the school year district level camping for cub scouts is family camping. These same girls have already been doing the cub scout archery and bb guns. But they have been invited by their brothers. And doing it as a guest about twice a year. If a girl feels like she can thrive in an all girl BSA cub scout den, then I don't see the harm. Again... a huge percentage of these girls are in scout families and have been doing these things with family camping for years.
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Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:07 am to Eightballjacket
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The Boy Scouts allowed girls to join after receiving intense pressure from liberals and their media bulldogs
Again, the libs and their media bulldogs are 100 percent against this move.
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Now that girls have an option, the Girls Scout are in trouble.
They were in trouble long before this. In fact, it is their trouble that gave BSA an opening.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:08 am to browl
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From section II of the youth protection pamphlet (the part that is SUPPOSED TO BE covered with the boy) as such:
Why in the hell are we against teaching kids to be on the lookout for sexual predators, and against teaching them what do if confronted by one?
I mean, the damn motto is "Be Prepared".
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:09 am to browl
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ou're so hung up on being right, that you can't see the forest for the trees. Keep defending it.
Right. Some of us think educating our children about the craziness of the world, and how to react to it, is appropriate.
Some of you want our kids to be ignorant.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:10 am to browl
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I couldn't imagine anyone being so passionate about defending such a polluted organization
We can agree to disagree.
There aren't many organizations where I would offer blind trust to those who receive the highest honor (eagle scout). The US army agrees, as eagle scouts get paid more for the sole purpose of achieving eagle.
Changes last year now allow girls that same opportunity (not an easier opportunity, they have to earn it just like the boys).
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You're so hung up on being right, that you can't see the forest for the trees.
Maybe. But I am not so hung up on being right that I would lie, misinterpret facts, and spread fake news.
Cheers
(When is this board going to get an ignore feature?)
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:16 am to meansonny
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The troops money that is raised from cookie sales goes 100% to a charitable cause (yes, the individual girls get prizes for themselves based upon sales. But the troop as a whole keeps nothing).
The two different GS troops my daughters tried, this was absolutely not true.
First off, if they sold so many boxes of cookies, their registration fee was paid for the next year.
Beyond that, every dollar of cookie sales (and candy sales in the fall) was used to defray the expenses of the troop. the troop charged very little in dues. The proceeds were used to pay for supplies, field trips, activities, etc.
They were young (both were Brownies when they tried) but there is not a single thing that either of them did over two years via the GS troop that would even approach being described as community service. No volunteering, no food drives, no bingo at old folks home, no cleaning the park, no planting flowers, etc. They did, however, at every meeting, make a craft.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:26 am to LSUFanHouston
Interesting.
The charter for the girl scout troop which has my 2 daughters has a clause that they can't profit from the sale.
They may be able to pay recharter fees. But they don't use the money for field trips (it might be their interpretation of profit). One year, they bought supplies for the humane society. One year, they hosted an event for an all girl teen orphanage. A couple of years, they have partnered with the county senior center.
It sounds like that activity is based on the troops leadership.
The girls have hosted 1 cookie contest at the senior center. But all of the cookies were prepared at home with moms or dads in their own free time. For being an all girl organization, it focuses a ton on leadership and service (maybe from the perspective of a girl.
I don't sit in the meetings) . Not so much on doing "girl" things. The most exciting stuff done by my girls are not permitted for cub scouts (under 11) like canoeing on their own or doing the ropes course. But it eats them up that at 12 years old, they still can't build a fire (despite having done so at cub scout family camping for 7 years).
The charter for the girl scout troop which has my 2 daughters has a clause that they can't profit from the sale.
They may be able to pay recharter fees. But they don't use the money for field trips (it might be their interpretation of profit). One year, they bought supplies for the humane society. One year, they hosted an event for an all girl teen orphanage. A couple of years, they have partnered with the county senior center.
It sounds like that activity is based on the troops leadership.
The girls have hosted 1 cookie contest at the senior center. But all of the cookies were prepared at home with moms or dads in their own free time. For being an all girl organization, it focuses a ton on leadership and service (maybe from the perspective of a girl.
I don't sit in the meetings) . Not so much on doing "girl" things. The most exciting stuff done by my girls are not permitted for cub scouts (under 11) like canoeing on their own or doing the ropes course. But it eats them up that at 12 years old, they still can't build a fire (despite having done so at cub scout family camping for 7 years).
Posted on 5/3/18 at 11:41 am to meansonny
I'm spreading fake news. 
From the Tiger Cub youth protection pamphlet:
and...
Great idea. Let's pollute children because there is no way we can control the adults we allow into the organization.
The forest or the trees. You obviously already picked. So did I, and I choose NOT to "normalize" myself or my kids for the intentional trends of declining societal morality.
Reminds me a little bit of Aleister Crowley's 'brilliance'..."Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".
An ignore feature on TD. That's funny too. You don't need an ignore feature to ignore what has happened to the BSA.
From the Tiger Cub youth protection pamphlet:
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Tell your child that your permission is required before he or she may accept an invitation from a Scout leader or another parent to an activity outside of Scouting and that all such invitations must be reported to you. The BSA recommends that parents insist that two adults are present (two-deep leadership) when authorizing non-Scouting activities for their children.
and...
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“What if something happens on a camping trip (or at a neighbor’s house, or at a friend’s house) that makes you feel afraid or confused?” I could talk to my pack leader about it right away. He said we could talk to him about anything that made us feel unsafe. When I get home, I would tell a parent what happened. “What if someone is making you feel unsafe, and the first person you tell can’t help you?” I would tell one of my other trusted grown-ups until I find one who can help. “What if one of your trusted adults is making you feel unsafe or uncomfortable?” I am allowed to say NO to any adult who makes me feel afraid, confused, or unsafe. I would say NO and then contact one of the other adults on my list to get help.
Great idea. Let's pollute children because there is no way we can control the adults we allow into the organization.
The forest or the trees. You obviously already picked. So did I, and I choose NOT to "normalize" myself or my kids for the intentional trends of declining societal morality.
Reminds me a little bit of Aleister Crowley's 'brilliance'..."Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".
An ignore feature on TD. That's funny too. You don't need an ignore feature to ignore what has happened to the BSA.
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/3/18 at 1:57 pm to browl
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Great idea. Let's pollute children because there is no way we can control the adults we allow into the organization.
Can you control the adults that work in your child's school? What about the ones that coach your kids teams? What about the ones that live in the neighborhood, or just drive through it?
Are you a parent?
I'm really struggling with trying to understand, why teaching kids about danger is a bad thing.
In the 80s, when I was in Cub Scouts, we learned about stranger dangers.
Scouts - at the core - is about teaching life skills. The ability for a child to know how to respond to a danger is one of the most basic life skills there is. It's not just about what to do during a Scout meeting. It's about life. And while hopefully your son or daughter will never be confronted with such an issue, especially not in Scouts - why would you not want him/her to be informed about how to deal with it if it does?
I get that the move isn't 100 percent popular and that there are some issues with it - but this is a really, really strange thing to harp on.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:02 pm to meansonny
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They may be able to pay recharter fees. But they don't use the money for field trips (it might be their interpretation of profit). One year, they bought supplies for the humane society. One year, they hosted an event for an all girl teen orphanage. A couple of years, they have partnered with the county senior center.
It sounds like that activity is based on the troops leadership.
Sounds like your daughters have a great troop. That is awesome.
One thing I've learned about GSUSA - and this thread validates it - is that there is a wide, wide variety from troop to troop, from area to area. There is a complete and utter lack of a consistent program.
Part of that may be by design - if you look at their programs, they seem to want to be all things to all people. You can join a troop. You can not join a troop. You can just go to camp. But when you have so many different options, you tend to lack a clear and consistent focus.
In our area, it's clear that district leadership is a huge issue. The district leader is also one of the troop leaders that are terrible. So clearly, since she runs her troop in an awful way, and if she is the one responsible for other area troops... they are going to also be run terribly.
In fact, my wife (no pics) actually contacted the local council last year and expressed interest in starting a troop (because we are so unsatisfied with our options) and was basically told there was "no need to start a new troop, since the current ones are not full." She basically told them there was a reason for that... but since the local district leader supposedly makes the call, she said no to a new troop.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:49 pm to browl
Ok what's nefarious or normalizing indecent behavior in a pamphlet that's been saying the same thing since at least the early 90's?
Stranger danger isn't new. Talking with kids to self report abuse in a neutral way isn't new. This didn't change.
Stranger danger isn't new. Talking with kids to self report abuse in a neutral way isn't new. This didn't change.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 3:00 pm to Hangover Haven
Sad. The decline is real... 
Posted on 5/3/18 at 3:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
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In fact, my wife (no pics) actually contacted the local council last year and expressed interest in starting a troop (because we are so unsatisfied with our options) and was basically told there was "no need to start a new troop, since the current ones are not full." She basically told them there was a reason for that... but since the local district leader supposedly makes the call, she said no to a new troop.
That is typical for our area too.
The girl scouts redistricted the area. 4 counties in the 1 district (used to be 2 counties per 2 districts). Our district hasn't had a treasurer since they made the change. My wife offered to be the treasurer for our county, but they refused. She could do all 4 counties or none. So we still don't have a treasurer for the past 2 years.
Another girl scout troop requested a district meeting to start their gold star award (the meeting is part of the requirement). Girl scouts cancelled the meeting for lack of participation. The mom/troop leader called them back and advised that only 2 girls in the district have completed the silver award and both of them signed up for the meeting. The district still wasnt going to go through with the meeting until the mom threatened to transfer the troop (2 girls) to another district. Keep in mind that the girls can't begin the gold award project until after the meeting, and there is the threat that they age out before achieving it (like boy scouts with eagle).
My girls love girl scouts. But us parents are the ones dealing with the district ineptitude. My wife will not transfer the girls to boy scouts. Her hope is to be the change. To try and improve it going forward as best she can.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 6:22 pm to Hangover Haven
No more Girl Scout cookies. Didn't know the Cookie Monster was gay
Posted on 5/3/18 at 6:28 pm to Hangover Haven
Gonna be a lot of teen sex in those tents
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