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re: Bosses’ opinions of remote work changing quickly
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:31 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:31 am to LNCHBOX
quote:again, agreed. But that's not everybody- it's the supervisor's job to identify which do and which don't. Just like at the office- but just different tactics to accomplish the same thing. You can catch the guy playing games on his phone sitting on the toilet for an hour pretty easy at the office. It's not so easy when he's at home. You need different tactics. Conversely, as a supervisor, if the employee is spending an hour on his own toilet AND getting work done while on the toilet you need to know that too (work getting done part, not that he's on the toilet).
You either get your work done or you don't. I don't need extra check ins from management to get my work done.
And that supervisor has a job to do also. Even if he is in the office he's "part of the WFH" because his job role includes people working remotely. That's the 'other hybrid' other than some home/some office. Most companies are a vertical hierarchy. If the ones below you are WFH, you are now a hybrid WFH whether you like it or not.
And need to be trained accordingly.
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:31 am to Epic Cajun
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These are the people who are against remote working. Managers whose idea of managing is "managing by walking around"
The funny thing about going to the office now is that when I'm there I typically just sit on Teams meetings half the day with my door closed
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:32 am to TejasHorn
Meh, about 90% of my clients don’t want to meet in person anyway
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:34 am to fallguy_1978
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The funny thing about going to the office now is that when I'm there I typically just sit on Teams meetings half the day with my door closed
Exactly. I have a global team with meetings / conversations all over the world. I can sit on zoom and send emails just as well at home as I could in an office.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:35 am to fallguy_1978
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The funny thing about going to the office now is that when I'm there I typically just sit on Teams meetings half the day with my door closed
I feel like that's a lot of people. What's the difference between that and working remotely?
I probably have a skewed opinion of all of this because I've always worked in large organizations where I'm collaborating with people who work in different cities. What's the point of me sitting in a office in Nashville if the main people who I'm working with live in Colorado?
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:35 am to VADawg
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Turnover has increased because there is absolutely no loyalty shown by management at most companies anymore.
It should not surprise anyone that both employee and employer loyalty has cratered in a WFH environment.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:36 am to VADawg
quote:companies have never shown loyalty to employees. That never existed. Most here have been told the boat isn't leaving Fourchon AFTER they have arrived at the dock because they are laid off, there's a plant shutdown, or found their office door locked upon arriving with a note to check their email.
Turnover has increased because there is absolutely no loyalty shown by management at most companies anymore. Employees have figured out that the only way to make more money is to change companies,
That is not the reason for turnover. You are right that the reason for turnover is that employees have more options/leverage right now IN SOME SECTORS. But many watch too much TV and think they have leverage and don't really.... that leads to another type of turnover called termination.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:38 am to bayouvette
I feel like WFH is tailored to burst workers and not consistent workers. I'm a burst worker and feel trapped after my bursts. If I can spend 15-20 min right after my burst doing something productive at the house, I feel 10x better about doing my job. I hate coming home and feeling like now I have to do something at home right after working for 9 hours.
I wasted 1-1.5 hours driving, 30 min getting ready to go to work, and so on when I could've used that time to sleep a little more and clean the house or something.
I wasted 1-1.5 hours driving, 30 min getting ready to go to work, and so on when I could've used that time to sleep a little more and clean the house or something.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:43 am to TejasHorn
Half the time in office is wasted anyway so I don’t get the difference.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:44 am to VictoryHill
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They're simply AT WORK for less time, but I guarantee you the same amount of work gets done in more cases than not.
That’s the exact opposite of what is being presented though
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:46 am to bad93ex
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With the exception being IT, I can foresee "remote work" ending for a lot of folks.
IT guy, yes we get way more done at home. The few times I go in, I waste 1hr driving to and from, 1.5-2hrs on lunch. 2 hrs bullshitting in the office. So I might get 3-4hrs of work in. When I'm at home, easily 7-8hrs depending on the day. Could be 5, could be 12.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:46 am to STLDawg
These days its not effective at all if half the people aren't there and the half who are spend their time on different zoom meetings.
The problem is that people don't limit the amount of meetings they'll sit in on and not contribute. As long as their teams icon is red they're "being productive."
Covid really majorly fricked up the office environment.
The problem is that people don't limit the amount of meetings they'll sit in on and not contribute. As long as their teams icon is red they're "being productive."
Covid really majorly fricked up the office environment.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:47 am to STLDawg
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Half the time in office is wasted anyway so I don’t get the difference.
Because that wasted time at the office is often times wasted building relationships and attachments to the company/culture. This makes people less likely to leave and job hop
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:49 am to TejasHorn
One thing I've noticed is that when one of the big wigs has a small issue they go to someone working in the office. The benefit for the office worker is that they build a relationship with the upper management.
Also, fresh out of college hires absolutely suck at working from home. They really need a period of learning how to work before they can work at home. I sent an email to one on a Thursday, they work from home on Thu/Fri, I didn't get a reply until they came into the office Monday morning lol.
Also, fresh out of college hires absolutely suck at working from home. They really need a period of learning how to work before they can work at home. I sent an email to one on a Thursday, they work from home on Thu/Fri, I didn't get a reply until they came into the office Monday morning lol.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:50 am to jmarto1
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There is a ceiling to fricking off at the office for the most part. At home, no supervision
I took a 2.5 hour lunch yesterday. Went to the gym, the car wash, got a haircut, and picked up lunch, so sounds like you’re just not trying hard enough.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:59 am to TejasHorn
This picture exemplifies everything that is wrong with young men in America today.
ETA: I guess that's a dude; you never know these days
ETA: I guess that's a dude; you never know these days
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:01 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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fresh out of college hires absolutely suck at working from home
Big time
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:04 am to TejasHorn
I love these threads where we bash teachers for how little they work! Oh wait, we’re talking about the corporate guys with “real” jobs.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:04 am to TejasHorn
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This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 6:35 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:11 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Because that wasted time at the office is often times wasted building relationships and attachments to the company/culture. This makes people less likely to leave and job hop
I think that people are more likely to job hop because they are now presented with more opportunities. I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of relationship with their current employer. Remote work makes taking a better opportunity much easier, you no longer have to deal with the headache of picking up your family and moving across the country for a new opportunity. Employees are no longer constrained to taking jobs within their community, or uprooting their family.
On the other hand, it makes opens up the potential employee pool for employers, too. They are no longer "stuck" with the talent pool that is in their local community (or willing to move to their local community).
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