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re: Birmingham terminates incentives for Top Golf due to TG’s decision to not hire...
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:57 pm to doubleb
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:57 pm to doubleb
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My point is it takes quite a few DBEs to reach 30%. You can’t just sub the job to a plumbing contractor or electrical contractor and get to 30%. It takes more than that. But often a large sub will sub some of his scope to a DBE and the DBE will just but the electrical gear, the chillers or the emergency generator and that’s it.
Exactly. All of this was much easier before they cracked down on DBE passthroughs.
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:00 pm to The Spleen
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It's been open almost 2 years now.
Yeah, I went there in November the week of the LSU game.
They seem to be doing well.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:01 pm to Duckhammer_77
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based on my experience dealing with this shite in "southern metro areas", the shitholes just want as much cash as they can squeeze and asking questions or for accountability gets you called the R word.
Pretty much. A lot dinner parties and hand shaking with untrustworthy groups leads to this. These projects get ram jetted so fast to meet promises, a lot “you didn’t tell me that” comes out when the money begins moving around
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:02 pm to StringedInstruments
If they agreed to the terms they should be held accountable.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:02 pm to Dick Leverage
If they really want to include minorities they need to force some kind of apprenticeships or experience type work. But, the way it is set up, it won't improve minority positions in life. Getting paid to do nothing is a scam not an improvement.
It is almost like the minority owned businesses (I have seen) were happy to get paid for nothing instead of get in on the real action and get experience so they could one day run a project by themselves.
It is almost like the minority owned businesses (I have seen) were happy to get paid for nothing instead of get in on the real action and get experience so they could one day run a project by themselves.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:20 pm to lsu13lsu
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It is almost like the minority owned businesses (I have seen) were happy to get paid for nothing instead of get in on the real action and get experience so they could one day run a project by themselves.
Southern politics. It’s a front, they are being exploited more than you think. At face, we are giving them a chance, in reality they still answer to some powerful masters.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:22 pm to StringedInstruments
God I hate our city council.
Top Golf almost didn't happen because of this shite.
ETA: I think the article is a little behind. Most likely this was already known by Top Golf.
There was a huge stoppage in the project over this and it almost cancelled the entire thing. Top Golf said screw those requirements, we don't care about the incentives.
Top Golf almost didn't happen because of this shite.
ETA: I think the article is a little behind. Most likely this was already known by Top Golf.
There was a huge stoppage in the project over this and it almost cancelled the entire thing. Top Golf said screw those requirements, we don't care about the incentives.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:23 pm to Nottelling
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Southern politics. It’s a front, they are being exploited more than you think. At face, we are giving them a chance, in reality they still answer to some powerful masters.
This. Most “successful” DBE’s are either owned partially by local politicos or donate heavily to them. It’s all a big connections game
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:27 pm to MrLarson
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This isn't the first time this has come up for TG. I know the City was pissed before they ever opened because they weren't using minority subs that was part of the contract.
Yea the city tried to shut the project down, though the minority subs was only part of the incentive program. Birmingham tried to act like it was a requirement. Top Golf said frick you.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:51 pm to StringedInstruments
If you don't live in Birmingham, it's hard to comprehend the degree of corruption and incompetence at the city government level. To say that race plays a role in almost every decision is not an overstatement. If you want to see other examples of this, look no further than the Birmingham Airport Authority - it may be the most egregious example of corruption.
Al.com article about Airport Authority corruption
Al.com article about Airport Authority corruption
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:35 pm to StringedInstruments
3 percent may have been African American and/or women owned. What about Hispanics???
There is no way in hell it added up to 3 percent if you include the Hispanic subcontractors. These subs would own their own company generally. When they open the GC books, TG wins this in court. It would be hard to pull that off a 97 percent white workforce for a construction project if you tried your hardest.
There is no way in hell it added up to 3 percent if you include the Hispanic subcontractors. These subs would own their own company generally. When they open the GC books, TG wins this in court. It would be hard to pull that off a 97 percent white workforce for a construction project if you tried your hardest.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:15 pm to BearCrocs
I worked for a yuge, I tell you just yuge, telecommunications company. Yuge. There were commitments made to hire minority and women owned businesses. A woman owned company was chosen to provide and maintain all desktop computers for employees for many years with mandatory 2 year PC/Laptop replacement/upgrades tossed in. That was a gigantic contract. Her business thrived although I suspected it to be run by her husband. So, there it is.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:06 pm to LNCHBOX
@LNCHBOX
Black
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One is not like the others. Can you figure out which one and why?
Black
Female
Veteran
One is not like the others. Can you figure out which one and why?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:12 pm to StringedInstruments
Elections have consequences
The country thankfully dodged the piece of shite on the left. Unfortunately for Birmingham, they’re stuck with the piece of shite on the right.
The country thankfully dodged the piece of shite on the left. Unfortunately for Birmingham, they’re stuck with the piece of shite on the right.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:29 pm to StringedInstruments
Do they really think Tiger Woods is coming to Top Golf Birmingham?
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