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re: B’ham HS band director tased, arrested for not stopping band after game
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:44 am to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:44 am to AwgustaDawg
I know exactly what the problem in this country is and you are representing it well.
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:46 am to TDTOM
The person you are responding to is absurd. He’s also uninformed, racist, and a child groomer, so basically your modern day leftist
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 9:49 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:48 am to AwgustaDawg
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How long were they going to play?
Like I said in an earlier post if they rented the field they are only allowed to be there for a certain time....after that the school is/could be charged extra fees....who pays for that? There might not be enough staff to shut the field down after a certain time... did the stadium know that they were going to do a 5th quarter?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:49 am to Proximo
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Interesting. I assume you don’t care about the children that are shot in the parking lot when fights break out during rival gang disputes then, correct? Because that’s what you’re advocating for
The deaths only matter when a cop and a black person are involved, no matter the circumstances or facts.
SO you ascertion is that someone was MORE likely to shoot a kid in the parking lot of this football field with the police presence that was there?? Please do explain...
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:50 am to AwgustaDawg
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.yes, trespassing is against the law but is it the best idea for the state to enforce such laws regardless of the circumstances
You don't enforce a law, it's basically not a law anymore. See refusal to charge theft under a certain value in some Cali cities. So, saying this isn't worth the drama, then makes it completely okay. So now all Band Directors can say screw the property owner/operator, we get to play our music because we know it's not worth the cops stopping us.
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why not arrest him at a later time, when there are not kids present and emotions are not running high on both sides
I would say they gave it quite a bit of time before moving towards arrest. It's absolutely absurd to think they need to wait until kids are not present and emotions are not running high. At the point of arrest, emotions will always be high. And if anyone should be responsible for not acting like this in front of kids....it's their teacher.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:52 am to dupergreenie
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Like I said in an earlier post if they rented the field they are only allowed to be there for a certain time....after that the school is/could be charged extra fees....who pays for that? There might not be enough staff to shut the field down after a certain time... did the stadium know that they were going to do a 5th quarter?
All valid points. None would necessitate the state stepping in and acting the way they did. That is the question. Speeding is a crime. Should the police speed and drive recklessly to enforce that crime or should the use some sound judgement?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:54 am to Gee Grenouille
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Civil service protected behavior.
And if it wasn't properly documented to HR, then it never actually happened.
He'll get to go to counselling and be given an entire year to improve behavior.
Civil Service protections are great!
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:54 am to Darth_Vader
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"As a safety precaution, fifth quarter performances are not allowed," Birmingham City Schools said in a statement Wednesday.
I'm going to guess the safety issue is shootings and gang activity that has previously associated itself with the event.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:59 am to Jon A thon
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You don't enforce a law, it's basically not a law anymore. See refusal to charge theft under a certain value in some Cali cities. So, saying this isn't worth the drama, then makes it completely okay. So now all Band Directors can say screw the property owner/operator, we get to play our music because we know it's not worth the cops stopping us.
Again, if the band directors and the property owners have a disagreement is the first and only place to resolve that in the Police department??? The police have nothing better and more important to do??? Thats the problem.
The property owner can include terms in the contract with stiff penalties for staying beyond a certain time, they could not allow the party to be on the property a second time after over staying, the band directors employer has some leverage....there are multiple ways that the situation could handled without involving the police...and the police have more important and pressing things to do than get involved in such situations...but when they are called they must respond.
As far as the teacher acting the way he did, yes, you are correct. If the summation is he is acting an arse I would agree....what is served by more than one arse showing up to act out???? Nothing. When the cops show up and act an arse there are multiple asses involved...how that is better is beyong logic but I understand it speaks to some deep DNA level need to be policed by some folks...
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:03 am to AwgustaDawg
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some sound judgement
Perhaps BOTH parties in this are wrong and had the band director used some sound judgement he would not have been tased.
Sometimes people are aholes and this band director seems to be one.... read the post about him.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:06 am to AwgustaDawg
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did the stadium know that they were going to do a 5th quarter?
immaterial to the discussion - Policy says there are supposed to be none conducted, so why would it matter if the stadium knew or not? the director knew it was not allowed, set a back example by basically ignoring the rules, giving his employer a big middle finger, ignoring the police directing him to stop.
the fact is, he was given opportunities to comply not only to the police, but most importantly to the rules of his employer as well as the stadium and chose to say frick you, and set a bad example for the kids.
this is not an example of the police over stepping their boundaries. he resisted and suffered the consequences - the problem is, the narrative has been set that any police interaction is wrong.
I dunno what can be done to change the narrative - it doesn't need the pendulum to swing to the opposite end of the scale, but there needs to be some middle ground. there needs to be accountability, because when there is not - shite like this happens.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:07 am to AwgustaDawg
This is the "logic" used by police and those who support their actions without question because they have a difficult job.
They will serve a no-knock warrant. Their supporters support the idea of them serving no-knock warrants. Cops will do it, apparently without question.
Sometimes they get the address wrong. They know this, but they still do it. Sometimes they get injured themselves either at the right address or the wrong one. They know this, but they still do it. Sometimes they wind up damaging other people who have not done a thing in the world wrong. They know this, they still do it. Their supporters support them doing this.
If airlines failed to land safely as often as the police get an address wrong on a no-knock warrant no one, least of all pilots, would EVER get on a plane...but the logic of police and their supporters is "so what if the plane crashes, its a tough job and folks need planes...who cares if the wrong person is damaged, if the pilot is damaged, if property is needlessly damaged". There is no logic in it, only emotion. The need to support the police without question is ALL about emotion...and it is not helping police themselves, in fact it keeps them from getting what they need to do what we ask of them...but yall keep on, its working SO well...
They will serve a no-knock warrant. Their supporters support the idea of them serving no-knock warrants. Cops will do it, apparently without question.
Sometimes they get the address wrong. They know this, but they still do it. Sometimes they get injured themselves either at the right address or the wrong one. They know this, but they still do it. Sometimes they wind up damaging other people who have not done a thing in the world wrong. They know this, they still do it. Their supporters support them doing this.
If airlines failed to land safely as often as the police get an address wrong on a no-knock warrant no one, least of all pilots, would EVER get on a plane...but the logic of police and their supporters is "so what if the plane crashes, its a tough job and folks need planes...who cares if the wrong person is damaged, if the pilot is damaged, if property is needlessly damaged". There is no logic in it, only emotion. The need to support the police without question is ALL about emotion...and it is not helping police themselves, in fact it keeps them from getting what they need to do what we ask of them...but yall keep on, its working SO well...
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:07 am to AwgustaDawg
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the situation was not going to turn violent from the band being in a bad neighborhood or it being a rival.
You don't fricking know that. And yeah, there have been violent incidents in that very area involving that very school before.
It's the entire reason for the policies being put in place.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:08 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:Honest question. Have you watched any of the videos from any of the links in this thread? He was told to leave. They gave him time to do a couple songs, he went over the time. They tell him times up you need to leave and get these kids out of here, "get out my face", "get out my face." Sir, if you continue we are going to be forced to arrest you for trespassing, "that's fine, get out my face." He finishes a couple more songs, security comes to remove him. He rushes security and pins one against fence, uniformed police now come in to apprehend him. He grabs at the neck of a security officer and swings at one of the police now involved. Sir, you're going to jail now, "they disrespecting me, they disrespecting me." People with the same logo on their polos as his tell him to calm down and listen to the police, "they disrespecting me man, they disrespecting me." Sir, put your hands behind your back, if you continue to resist and swing at officers we will use the taser, "they disrespecting me, get outta my face." Sir, last warning please put your hands behind your back and stop resisting or I will deploy the taser, pushes officer "get outta my face, get your hands off me." Taser is deployed for three cycles.
the state stepping in and acting the way they did.
Your speeding example is not at all applicable to this scenario.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:09 am to AwgustaDawg
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SO you ascertion is that someone was MORE likely to shoot a kid in the parking lot of this football field with the police presence that was there?? Please do explain...
I’ve watched two videos in the last week of kids firing into crowds with cops right in front of them chasing them down
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:09 am to AwgustaDawg
the police are there to protect public safety. in the interest of performing that task, by direction of the school board, they were attempting to do just that, and this band director decided the rules did not apply to him.
there have been several instances around Bham at Football games that fights, and kids bringing guns that have occurred.
the fact is, the band Director decided the rules didn't apply to him, and he paid the price. accountability needed to happen there.
there have been several instances around Bham at Football games that fights, and kids bringing guns that have occurred.
the fact is, the band Director decided the rules didn't apply to him, and he paid the price. accountability needed to happen there.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:22 am to AwgustaDawg
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Again, if the band directors and the property owners have a disagreement is the first and only place to resolve that in the Police department??? The police have nothing better and more important to do??? Thats the problem.
Have you ever been to a game? There is a large police presence. They are already there.
I was Team Band Director until I saw this video. There was no reason for him to act in this manner. Defending the behavior is asinine.
Should he have been tased? Probably not, but his behavior is not defendable.
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:23 am to AwesomeSauce
You can tell that idiot has not watched one video about this incident. The poster jumped to conclusions and immediately started puking left wing talking points that have nothing to do with this situation. Totally uninformed and has no desire to educate themselves on this incident. He is just as bad as the bootlickers that he is railing against, same side of the coin
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:24 am to Darth_Vader
sounds like he fricked around and found out
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:29 am to Mo Jeaux
May not be a “law” …
But def a rule. And if that is a rule by the school board, then they are suppose to vacate and told to vacate. If they don’t then it becomes trespassing which you know…Is a law.
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"As a safety precaution, fifth quarter performances are not allowed," Birmingham City Schools said in a statement Wednesday.
But def a rule. And if that is a rule by the school board, then they are suppose to vacate and told to vacate. If they don’t then it becomes trespassing which you know…Is a law.
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